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Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?In a server group, assuming that from your last post
Show quoteHide quote "jwkh" <j***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:04AA64E5-6479-4972-8F56-F3D846DF069A@microsoft.com... > > > jwkh > > > I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here. I'd at
least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix," or "we (I) have no idea." Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times and have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS has a Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen. MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value in them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the MVP "circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being addressed. If not, why even have the MVP program? And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them. jwkh Show quoteHide quote "Bob I" wrote: > They are volunteers, with real lives too. > > jwkh wrote: > > > > > jwkh > > > > > > > > The MVP award is for the contributions in the previous year, nothing
more, nothing less, and has no bearing on future replies. They volunteered their time to answer the questions they did answer. And nobody can speak for someone else, and since this is a public group, is certainly would be stupid for everyone that read your question to reply that "they didn't know". Now, just what makes you think you worthy of an answer? Perhaps you should consider what effort you put in as against what you seem to expect in return. And remember people only reply when they have something to say. Also, you may want to post under a different pseudonym for best future response. jwkh wrote: Show quoteHide quote > I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here. I'd at > least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix," or > "we (I) have no idea." > > Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times and > have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS has a > Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen. > > MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value in > them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the MVP > "circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being addressed. > If not, why even have the MVP program? > > And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my > family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at > balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them. > > jwkh > > > "Bob I" wrote: > > >>They are volunteers, with real lives too. >> >>jwkh wrote: >> >> >>>jwkh >>> >>> >>> >> >> ....and, since it's a peer-to-peer newsgroup, there are many, many other
persons who can answer questions other than just MVPs. Tom Show quoteHide quote "Bob I" <bire***@yahoo.com> wrote in message I'd atnews:eyoBvyLEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | The MVP award is for the contributions in the previous year, nothing | more, nothing less, and has no bearing on future replies. They | volunteered their time to answer the questions they did answer. And | nobody can speak for someone else, and since this is a public group, is | certainly would be stupid for everyone that read your question to reply | that "they didn't know". Now, just what makes you think you worthy of an | answer? Perhaps you should consider what effort you put in as against | what you seem to expect in return. And remember people only reply when | they have something to say. Also, you may want to post under a different | pseudonym for best future response. | | | | jwkh wrote: | | > I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here. Show quoteHide quote | > least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix," or | > "we (I) have no idea." | > | > Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times and | > have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS has a | > Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen. | > | > MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value in | > them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the MVP | > "circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being addressed. | > If not, why even have the MVP program? | > | > And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my | > family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at | > balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them. | > | > jwkh | > | > | > "Bob I" wrote: | > | > | >>They are volunteers, with real lives too. | >> | >>jwkh wrote: | >> | >> | >>>jwkh | >>> | >>> | >>> | >> | >> | Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting
twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going unread. Derald,
I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I don't fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about. Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the grunts (other members). I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP. It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little support. That's just my opinion...I may be wrong. jwkh Show quoteHide quote "Derald" wrote: > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going > unread. > > MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions.
Show quoteHide quote "jwkh" <j***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:80C74FAF-6E85-4B60-8B4B-ABF1AD410580@microsoft.com... | Derald, | | I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I | have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I don't | fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about. | | Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the | grunts (other members). | | I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I | see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP. | | It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little | support. | | That's just my opinion...I may be wrong. | | jwkh | | | "Derald" wrote: | | > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting | > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going | > unread. | > | > Let's see: this is a volunteer program supported (AND advertised) by MS as a
means of support. BUT the volunteer may pick and choose, or not do anything at all? Then why have the program? Why be a "volunteer?" I did a lot of volunteer work about 10 years ago. I didn't pick and choose; I helped everyone in the line the best I could. And when I couldn't help, they had a reason...like it or not...they had someone saying something. I feel the MVP program is a MS sham. Just another way to push people into support that's often worthless and just to get them to pay for support that should be part of the product purchase. That's just my opinion...I may be wrong. jwkh Show quoteHide quote "Tom [Pepper] Willett" wrote: > MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions. > > "jwkh" <j***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:80C74FAF-6E85-4B60-8B4B-ABF1AD410580@microsoft.com... > | Derald, > | > | I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I > | have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I > don't > | fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about. > | > | Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the > | grunts (other members). > | > | I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I > | see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP. > | > | It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little > | support. > | > | That's just my opinion...I may be wrong. > | > | jwkh > | > | > | "Derald" wrote: > | > | > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting > | > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going > | > unread. > | > > | > > > > Nobody is required to give you a response. And, with your attitude, you're
lucky to get any. Show quoteHide quote "jwkh" <j***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DD15EC45-AA2A-4AFB-B69C-0C45C2AB76F4@microsoft.com... | Let's see: this is a volunteer program supported (AND advertised) by MS as a | means of support. BUT the volunteer may pick and choose, or not do anything | at all? Then why have the program? Why be a "volunteer?" I did a lot of | volunteer work about 10 years ago. I didn't pick and choose; I helped | everyone in the line the best I could. And when I couldn't help, they had a | reason...like it or not...they had someone saying something. | | I feel the MVP program is a MS sham. Just another way to push people into | support that's often worthless and just to get them to pay for support that | should be part of the product purchase. | | That's just my opinion...I may be wrong. | | jwkh | | "Tom [Pepper] Willett" wrote: | | > MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions. | > | > "jwkh" <j***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | > news:80C74FAF-6E85-4B60-8B4B-ABF1AD410580@microsoft.com... | > | Derald, | > | | > | I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I | > | have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I | > don't | > | fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about. | > | | > | Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the | > | grunts (other members). | > | | > | I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I | > | see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP. | > | | > | It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little | > | support. | > | | > | That's just my opinion...I may be wrong. | > | | > | jwkh | > | | > | | > | "Derald" wrote: | > | | > | > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting | > | > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going | > | > unread. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > On 18.10.2007 14:39 UK Time, Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
> Nobody is required to give you a response. And, with your attitude, you're Hear, hear!> lucky to get any. I don't come here that often and I'm not sure what caused "jwkh"'s twisted attitude, but FWIW whenever I post a question here (or at microsoft.public.word.application.errors, microsoft.public.access or microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support) I'm impressed with the helpfulness of the replies from MVPs and others, which is all the more remarkable and commendable in view of the fact that I'm a actually a Mozilla/open source fan (but nevertheless use Windows for my daily work because my main software from atril.com depends on it). In other words, credit where credit is due, and I regularly say so and recommend these groups and/or quote solutions posted here in other forums. jwkh wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Derald, MVPs (I was one) are rewarded for contributions in many areas and not > > I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I > have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I don't > fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about. > > Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the > grunts (other members). > > I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I > see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP. > > It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little > support. > > That's just my opinion...I may be wrong. > just this forum. Also, those who do contribute to this forum are contributing on the same basis as anyone else - as a poster - and not because they are required to answer questions. However you may get a better or more accurate response from an MVP than from another poster. Microsoft do not support the MVP program - the MVP is an award for services to the community by individuals from MS. MVPs do not get paid, and contribute their time for free. There aren't that many MVPs either - last time I looked there were 20,000 - and few of them are actually awarded the MVP for contributions in the forums. Cheers, Cliff -- Have you ever noticed that if something is advertised as 'amusing' or 'hilarious', it usually isn't? I owe a lot of people an apology. And I do apologize. But the fact remains
that I have serious concerns about MS support in its entirety. And this was the wrong place to express that. I always use the MS Knowledgebase first, then I read these groups a few weeks back before I ask a question. However, it's become pretty evident it's more cost effective for me to just pay the $245 for direct MS support. And when I do come back here to ask a question, I will NOT change my so called pseudonym. (It is merely the 4 initials of my full name.) If people do not respond to my questions because of my recent comments, it'll just confirm my current concerns about the MS support alternatives. jwkh Show quoteHide quote "jwkh" wrote: > > > jwkh > > > Or try the MSDN managed groups
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jan02/01-31vsnet.mspx or the partner Microsoft Managed Newsgroups https://partner.microsoft.com/40011586 -- Regards, Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. Microsoft Certified Professional Microsoft MVP [Windows] http://www.microsoft.com/protect I really appreciate your information. I'm going to give both a try.
Thanks, jwkh Show quoteHide quote "Dave Patrick" wrote: > Or try the MSDN managed groups > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jan02/01-31vsnet.mspx > > or the partner Microsoft Managed Newsgroups > https://partner.microsoft.com/40011586 > > > -- > > Regards, > > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup. > Microsoft Certified Professional > Microsoft MVP [Windows] > http://www.microsoft.com/protect > Hey! Chil out dude! We all know ur frustuated just because you did not get
any ansnwer for your queries. Well, so do a lot of people - Some of my earlier posts did not get a response. So what's the big deal ??? - I just tried other sources and got an answer. We are getting genuine reply from the MVP's - that mean they are spending their quality time in helping us - so we should be thankful to them. Forget about what MS has got to do with it. There are a lot of websites in the Internet posting solutions to various issues - but mind you - they might not be authentic. Its always a risk to try their solutions. Atleast here u are safe and you are avoiding spending $$$'s to MS for a quick reply. If anybody has problem with this kind of support then go elsewhere - but please dont waste ur time and the MVP's. Whatever support the MVP's have given me have worked. I respect and appreciate that. Thanks Ven Show quoteHide quote "jwkh" <j***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:01D40006-757B-4993-859C-D99F854704ED@microsoft.com... >I owe a lot of people an apology. And I do apologize. But the fact >remains > that I have serious concerns about MS support in its entirety. And this > was > the wrong place to express that. > > I always use the MS Knowledgebase first, then I read these groups a few > weeks back before I ask a question. > > However, it's become pretty evident it's more cost effective for me to > just > pay the $245 for direct MS support. > > And when I do come back here to ask a question, I will NOT change my so > called pseudonym. (It is merely the 4 initials of my full name.) If > people > do not respond to my questions because of my recent comments, it'll just > confirm my current concerns about the MS support alternatives. > > jwkh > > > > "jwkh" wrote: > >> >> >> jwkh >> >> >>  
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