"_AnonCoward" <abc***@uvwxyz.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. ... whether
> or not I would be OK to
> purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out first.

"_AnonCoward" <abc***@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
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>
> I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read a
> lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with
> the
> VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
> these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and
> therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
> purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out first.
>
>
> Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on the
> web that gives specifics? TIA.
>
>
> Ralf
>
>

"Carlos J. Quintero [VB MVP]" <carlosq@NOSPAMsogecable.com> wrote in message
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> You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
> later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carlos J. Quintero
>
> MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio .NET,
> VB6, VB5 and VBA
> You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
> Free resources for add-in developers:
> http://www.mztools.com
>
> "_AnonCoward" <abc***@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:TlRvf.3091$iQ.1643@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>>
>> I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read a
>> lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with
>> the
>> VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
>> these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and
>> therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
>> purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on the
>> web that gives specifics? TIA.
>>
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>>
>
>

" **Developer**" <REMOVEdevelo***@a-znet.com> wrote in message
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> What is missing in the Express edition?
> I looked at the site and didn't see a statement like "can't save project"
or
> "limited life"
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> "Carlos J. Quintero [VB MVP]" <carlosq@NOSPAMsogecable.com> wrote in
message
> news:u0uQJ0TFGHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
> > later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)
> >
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
> >
> > --
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Carlos J. Quintero
> >
> > MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio
..NET,
> > VB6, VB5 and VBA
> > You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
> > Free resources for add-in developers:
> > http://www.mztools.com
> >
> > "_AnonCoward" <abc***@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
> > news:TlRvf.3091$iQ.1643@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> >>
> >> I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read
a
> >> lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems
with
> >> the
> >> VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
> >> these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems
and
> >> therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
> >> purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out
> >> first.
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on
the
> >> web that gives specifics? TIA.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ralf
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

" **Developer**" <REMOVEdevelo***@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:uWuDkngGGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> What is missing in the Express edition?
> I looked at the site and didn't see a statement like "can't save project"
> or "limited life"
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> "Carlos J. Quintero [VB MVP]" <carlosq@NOSPAMsogecable.com> wrote in
> message news:u0uQJ0TFGHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
>> later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carlos J. Quintero
>>
>> MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio
>> .NET, VB6, VB5 and VBA
>> You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
>> Free resources for add-in developers:
>> http://www.mztools.com
>>
>> "_AnonCoward" <abc***@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> news:TlRvf.3091$iQ.1643@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>>>
>>> I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've read
>>> a
>>> lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems with
>>> the
>>> VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
>>> these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems and
>>> therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
>>> purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out
>>> first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on
>>> the
>>> web that gives specifics? TIA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ralf
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

" **Developer**" <REMOVEdevelo***@a-znet.com> wrote in message
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> I must be missing something. Is the following true?
>
> 1) it's free
>
> 2)It can do everything I presently do with VS20003 (I do not use database)
> which is basically to write a solution with many VB and C# projects in it.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> " **Developer**" <REMOVEdevelo***@a-znet.com> wrote in message
> news:uWuDkngGGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > What is missing in the Express edition?
> > I looked at the site and didn't see a statement like "can't save
project"
> > or "limited life"
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > "Carlos J. Quintero [VB MVP]" <carlosq@NOSPAMsogecable.com> wrote in
> > message news:u0uQJ0TFGHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> You can download the Express editions for free, learn the IDE, etc. and
> >> later purchase something higher (Standard, Professional,...)
> >>
> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Carlos J. Quintero
> >>
> >> MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio 2005, Visual Studio
> >> .NET, VB6, VB5 and VBA
> >> You can code, design and document much faster in VB.NET, C#, C++ or VJ#
> >> Free resources for add-in developers:
> >> http://www.mztools.com
> >>
> >> "_AnonCoward" <abc***@uvwxyz.com> escribió en el mensaje
> >> news:TlRvf.3091$iQ.1643@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking to purchase VS 2005 some time in the near future. I've
read
> >>> a
> >>> lot of grief on the web and in this ng as to the flaws and problems
with
> >>> the
> >>> VS 2005 release (and I understand MS is coming out with SP1 to address
> >>> these). What I can't seem to find is a list of the specific problems
and
> >>> therefore I can't evaluate for myself whether or not I would be OK to
> >>> purchase the product now or if I should wait for the SP to come out
> >>> first.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone either list the issues out there or point to a resource on
> >>> the
> >>> web that gives specifics? TIA.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ralf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

"Cyril Gupta" <nom***@mail.com> wrote in message
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> I am connecting to Jet through OleDB in VS2005 Express, and I believe you
> can easily connect to damn right anything through OleDB.
>
> So where's the problem :)
>
> Cheers!
> Cyril
>
>
>

"Robert Bravery" <m*@u.com> wrote in message
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> Well,
> Throu the vbexpress or C3express ide, I try and create a dbasebase
> connection, select my SQl database, and get an error message, "An error
> occured while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to
> SQL Server 2005, ........"
> To me that cannot connect
> Also there is no sql explore or server explorer tree in the database
> explorer window
> But in VS2003 this aproach work with no problems
>
> If I am oing something wrong please enlighten me
> Robert
>
> "Cyril Gupta" <nom***@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:OaTNQ5mGGHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> I am connecting to Jet through OleDB in VS2005 Express, and I believe you
>> can easily connect to damn right anything through OleDB.
>>
>> So where's the problem :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Cyril
>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message
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> Developer,
>
> From Microsofts first good selling OS (Dos 1.0) has there been a
development
> tool for free to let people start developing for their OS and with that
> makes there OS the most important one to use.
>
> An OS has no sense if there are no programs for it. The best example for
> that was a while OS/2 from IBM which was as OS better than NT. However
with
> almost no end user software so it died.
>
> Microsoft needs software developers which make those programs to keep
> Windows number one.
>
> Cor
>
>

" **Developer**" <REMOVEdevelo***@a-znet.com> wrote in message
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> MS is a business not a charity.
>
> There must be many programmers that have no interest in DB.
>
> I have trouble believing the MS just gives away a good IDE to those
> programmers free.
>
> Do you expect that there will be no SP for the express version or some
other
> reason why users will be almost forced to upgrade later?
>
> I'm not anti-MS, it just that businesses do not normally (and should not)
> give way products unless they see a return in the future.
>
> I'm using VS2003 now and don't want to spend what VS2005 cost but would
love
> it features.
>
> I'm afraid later I'll have to convert back to VS2003 for some reason
unknown
> to me now.
>
> Hate to belabor this but I hope you'll understand and comment.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> "Robert Bravery" <m*@u.com> wrote in message
> news:Ossg7QpGGHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Well,
> > Throu the vbexpress or C3express ide, I try and create a dbasebase
> > connection, select my SQl database, and get an error message, "An error
> > occured while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting
to
> > SQL Server 2005, ........"
> > To me that cannot connect
> > Also there is no sql explore or server explorer tree in the database
> > explorer window
> > But in VS2003 this aproach work with no problems
> >
> > If I am oing something wrong please enlighten me
> > Robert
> >
> > "Cyril Gupta" <nom***@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OaTNQ5mGGHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> I am connecting to Jet through OleDB in VS2005 Express, and I believe
you
> >> can easily connect to damn right anything through OleDB.
> >>
> >> So where's the problem :)
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Cyril
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

"Robert Bravery" <m*@u.com> wrote in message
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>
> " **Developer**" <REMOVEdevelo***@a-znet.com> wrote in message
> news:ui454XqGGHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> MS is a business not a charity.
>
> I did not mean it that way, was mereley pointing out that there are
> limitations,. Anyway, MS should not limit the product to connect to only
> one
> version of its SQL server, I understand limiting a free package to only ms
> servers, but limiting SQL2000, com on
>
> Robert
> .
>
>

news:1137514047.740660.244330@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Absoutely. In fact I use 1.0, vs2003 and vs2005 every day.
>

news:1137514047.740660.244330@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Absoutely. In fact I use 1.0, vs2003 and vs2005 every day.
>

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> MS is a business not a charity.
>
> There must be many programmers that have no interest in DB.
>
> I have trouble believing the MS just gives away a good IDE to those
> programmers free.
>
> Do you expect that there will be no SP for the express version or some
> other reason why users will be almost forced to upgrade later?
>
> I'm not anti-MS, it just that businesses do not normally (and should not)
> give way products unless they see a return in the future.
....