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Check if TIF file in useHi,
Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot access the file ....., because it is being used by another process." It worked with .PDF but not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while scanning. Any suggestions ???? Thanks Val The scanner interface doesn's support a "complete" callback?
Jeff Show quoteHide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D0FBA600-E821-4CE9-89C4-C134A675982A@microsoft.com... > Hi, > > Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. > > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot access > the file > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with .PDF > but > not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while scanning. > > Any suggestions ???? > > Thanks > > Val Jeff,
I'm not sure if I understand your question. Scanner interface it just a program thet comes with the scanner. It seems like it doesn't put handle on the file. Show quoteHide quote "Jeff Dillon" wrote: > The scanner interface doesn's support a "complete" callback? > > Jeff > > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D0FBA600-E821-4CE9-89C4-C134A675982A@microsoft.com... > > Hi, > > > > Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the > > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. > > > > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot access > > the file > > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with .PDF > > but > > not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while scanning. > > > > Any suggestions ???? > > > > Thanks > > > > Val > > > No, I mean, there isn't something you can call, to see if the job is
complete? When you say interface, is it a com or .NET object? Or just an exe that you launch. Like do while not scannerObject.Complete wait loop Now process the file... Jeff Show quoteHide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:0C4B4F65-279B-4867-B830-C18D6117BA1D@microsoft.com... > Jeff, > > I'm not sure if I understand your question. Scanner interface it just a > program thet comes with the scanner. It seems like it doesn't put handle > on > the file. > > "Jeff Dillon" wrote: > >> The scanner interface doesn's support a "complete" callback? >> >> Jeff >> >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:D0FBA600-E821-4CE9-89C4-C134A675982A@microsoft.com... >> > Hi, >> > >> > Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the >> > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. >> > >> > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot >> > access >> > the file >> > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with .PDF >> > but >> > not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while scanning. >> > >> > Any suggestions ???? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Val >> >> >> Hi!
Have you tried to rename the file? Wolfgang Show quoteHide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:D0FBA600-E821-4CE9-89C4-C134A675982A@microsoft.com... > Hi, > > Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. > > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot access > the file > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with .PDF > but > not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while scanning. > > Any suggestions ???? > > Thanks > > Val Hi Hauer!
I just tried that. It didn't work :( Show quoteHide quote "Hauer Wolfgang" wrote: > Hi! > > Have you tried to rename the file? > > Wolfgang > > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:D0FBA600-E821-4CE9-89C4-C134A675982A@microsoft.com... > > Hi, > > > > Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the > > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. > > > > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot access > > the file > > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with .PDF > > but > > not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while scanning. > > > > Any suggestions ???? > > > > Thanks > > > > Val > > > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: How are you attempting to open the TIF file? You could try to open a file > Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. > > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot access > the file > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with .PDF > but > not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while scanning. stream (class 'FileStream') with appropriate share mode set and construct a 'Bitmap' object from this stream. Note that it's necessary to keep the stream open as long as the bitmap object exists. -- M S Herfried K. Wagner M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> Hi Herfried,
I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, FileMode.OpenOrCreate, FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) Show quoteHide quote "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: > > Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the > > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. > > > > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot access > > the file > > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with .PDF > > but > > not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while scanning. > > How are you attempting to open the TIF file? You could try to open a file > stream (class 'FileStream') with appropriate share mode set and construct a > 'Bitmap' object from this stream. Note that it's necessary to keep the > stream open as long as the bitmap object exists. > > -- > M S Herfried K. Wagner > M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> > V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> > > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: Use 'FileShare.ReadWrite'. The value of this parameter determines which > I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: > > Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, FileMode.OpenOrCreate, > FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) operations /other processes/ can perform while your application is accessing the file. -- M S Herfried K. Wagner M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the scanning.
Show quoteHide quote "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: > > I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: > > > > Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, FileMode.OpenOrCreate, > > FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) > > Use 'FileShare.ReadWrite'. The value of this parameter determines which > operations /other processes/ can perform while your application is accessing > the file. > > -- > M S Herfried K. Wagner > M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> > V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> > > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: Is it possible to open the file with another application such an image >I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the scanning. viewer/editor while it is being accessed by the scanner? -- M S Herfried K. Wagner M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> Yes, I can open file with Microsoft Office Document Imaging without any errors.
Show quoteHide quote "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: > >I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the scanning. > > Is it possible to open the file with another application such an image > viewer/editor while it is being accessed by the scanner? > > -- > M S Herfried K. Wagner > M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> > V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> > > Wait till the scanner program is done!
Show quoteHide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:07638854-170A-4722-87CB-BFB47B96EE03@microsoft.com... >I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the scanning. > > "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: > >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: >> > I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: >> > >> > Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, FileMode.OpenOrCreate, >> > FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) >> >> Use 'FileShare.ReadWrite'. The value of this parameter determines which >> operations /other processes/ can perform while your application is >> accessing >> the file. >> >> -- >> M S Herfried K. Wagner >> M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> >> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> >> >> Jeff,
1) It's stand alone application (exe), user interface. User can select available scanner, file format, dpi, scanning directory 2) How would I know "The scanner program is done" :) Show quoteHide quote "Jeff Dillon" wrote: > Wait till the scanner program is done! > > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:07638854-170A-4722-87CB-BFB47B96EE03@microsoft.com... > >I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the scanning. > > > > "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: > > > >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: > >> > I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: > >> > > >> > Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, FileMode.OpenOrCreate, > >> > FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) > >> > >> Use 'FileShare.ReadWrite'. The value of this parameter determines which > >> operations /other processes/ can perform while your application is > >> accessing > >> the file. > >> > >> -- > >> M S Herfried K. Wagner > >> M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> > >> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> > >> > >> > > > I thought you meant "programmatic interface", not "user interface".
What type of scanner is it? If HP, there are programmatic interfaces available. So how are you currently retrieving the file name and directory to where the user is placing the file? Jeff Show quoteHide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3924E5A7-0BD6-4ED0-A5A0-F0EF1FC34C84@microsoft.com... > Jeff, > 1) It's stand alone application (exe), user interface. User can select > available scanner, file format, dpi, scanning directory > 2) How would I know "The scanner program is done" :) > > "Jeff Dillon" wrote: > >> Wait till the scanner program is done! >> >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:07638854-170A-4722-87CB-BFB47B96EE03@microsoft.com... >> >I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the >> >scanning. >> > >> > "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: >> > >> >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: >> >> > I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: >> >> > >> >> > Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, >> >> > FileMode.OpenOrCreate, >> >> > FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) >> >> >> >> Use 'FileShare.ReadWrite'. The value of this parameter determines >> >> which >> >> operations /other processes/ can perform while your application is >> >> accessing >> >> the file. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> M S Herfried K. Wagner >> >> M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> >> >> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It's Canon DR9080C. It comes with scanning software "Capture Perfect".
"Capture Perfect" program allow user to name file, choose resolution and so on. All users will scan files to the same directory(c:\temp). My service monitoring c:\temp for incoming files and process them. Scanning format TIF and PDF only Show quoteHide quote "Jeff Dillon" wrote: > I thought you meant "programmatic interface", not "user interface". > > What type of scanner is it? If HP, there are programmatic interfaces > available. > > So how are you currently retrieving the file name and directory to where the > user is placing the file? > > Jeff > > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:3924E5A7-0BD6-4ED0-A5A0-F0EF1FC34C84@microsoft.com... > > Jeff, > > 1) It's stand alone application (exe), user interface. User can select > > available scanner, file format, dpi, scanning directory > > 2) How would I know "The scanner program is done" :) > > > > "Jeff Dillon" wrote: > > > >> Wait till the scanner program is done! > >> > >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:07638854-170A-4722-87CB-BFB47B96EE03@microsoft.com... > >> >I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the > >> >scanning. > >> > > >> > "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: > >> > > >> >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: > >> >> > I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: > >> >> > > >> >> > Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, > >> >> > FileMode.OpenOrCreate, > >> >> > FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) > >> >> > >> >> Use 'FileShare.ReadWrite'. The value of this parameter determines > >> >> which > >> >> operations /other processes/ can perform while your application is > >> >> accessing > >> >> the file. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> M S Herfried K. Wagner > >> >> M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> > >> >> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Are you sure you tried this with FileShare.None specified for the share
argument? FileShare.None means that you can't open the file if something else has it open (in any way, shape or form) and, once you have it open, nothing else can open it untill you close it. It is what is commonly known as 'opening a file for exclusive use' and it works reliably. If the scanner is still writing the file I would expect that you get an exception when you attempt to open the file in this manner. If you don't, and the scanner is still writing the file, then it would indicate that the scanner is opening and closing the file each time it writes a block. Because of the critical nature of the file (it is only the entire file that has any meaning), if anyone who worked for me wrote a piece of code like that, they would be looking for another job. Show quoteHide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:07638854-170A-4722-87CB-BFB47B96EE03@microsoft.com... >I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the scanning. > > "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: > >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: >> > I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: >> > >> > Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, FileMode.OpenOrCreate, >> > FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) >> >> Use 'FileShare.ReadWrite'. The value of this parameter determines which >> operations /other processes/ can perform while your application is >> accessing >> the file. >> >> -- >> M S Herfried K. Wagner >> M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> >> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> >> >> Stephany,
Yes, I tried to open with FileShare.None and it doesn't work. I can open file while the scanner is still writing without any exceptions. It seems like Canon "Capture Perfect" software is opening and closing the file each time it writes to it. It looks strange to me, because they handle PDF format properly. I will call Canon today and find out what is going on. Thanks for reply. Val Show quoteHide quote "Stephany Young" wrote: > Are you sure you tried this with FileShare.None specified for the share > argument? > > FileShare.None means that you can't open the file if something else has it > open (in any way, shape or form) and, once you have it open, nothing else > can open it untill you close it. > > It is what is commonly known as 'opening a file for exclusive use' and it > works reliably. > > If the scanner is still writing the file I would expect that you get an > exception when you attempt to open the file in this manner. > > If you don't, and the scanner is still writing the file, then it would > indicate that the scanner is opening and closing the file each time it > writes a block. > > Because of the critical nature of the file (it is only the entire file that > has any meaning), if anyone who worked for me wrote a piece of code like > that, they would be looking for another job. > > > > > "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:07638854-170A-4722-87CB-BFB47B96EE03@microsoft.com... > >I just tried that too. Didn't work. Still can open file while the scanning. > > > > "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" wrote: > > > >> "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb: > >> > I'm using FileStream. This is my code example: > >> > > >> > Dim fileObj As New System.IO.FileStream(sFile, FileMode.OpenOrCreate, > >> > FileAccess.Write, FileShare.None) > >> > >> Use 'FileShare.ReadWrite'. The value of this parameter determines which > >> operations /other processes/ can perform while your application is > >> accessing > >> the file. > >> > >> -- > >> M S Herfried K. Wagner > >> M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> > >> V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/> > >> > >> > > > ValK wrote:
> Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the You could monitor the file size and when it hasn't increased for n seconds > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. > > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot > access the file > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with > .PDF but not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while > scanning. then assume the scanning is done. Now your problem is changed to determining a suitable value for n. Or you could read the start of the TIF file until you find the marker/data part which tells you how much image data there is and then you can calculate the final size and wait until the file has reached that size. Andrew Andrew,
This is exactly how I have done. But this will slow down my process a big time. Some times we have over 500 files in scanning directory. It just drives me crazy… Why everything works the way it should with PDF but not TIF? Here is my function: I give 6 seconds pause Private Function isFileInUse(ByVal sFile As String) As Boolean Try Dim fi As System.IO.FileInfo Dim nLastSize As Long Dim nNewSize As Long fi = New System.IO.FileInfo(sFile) fi.Refresh() nLastSize = fi.Length Thread.Sleep(6000) fi.Refresh() nNewSize = fi.Length If nLastSize <> nNewSize Then Return True Else Return False End If fi = Nothing Catch ex As Exception Throw End Try End Function Show quoteHide quote "Andrew Morton" wrote: > ValK wrote: > > Here is my problem. I need to check if scanner finished scanning the > > document. I'm using scanner interface that came with the scanner. > > > > I tried to open file and catch IO Exception for "The process cannot > > access the file > > ...., because it is being used by another process." It worked with > > .PDF but not with TIF files. It will allow me to open file while > > scanning. > > You could monitor the file size and when it hasn't increased for n seconds > then assume the scanning is done. Now your problem is changed to determining > a suitable value for n. > > Or you could read the start of the TIF file until you find the marker/data > part which tells you how much image data there is and then you can calculate > the final size and wait until the file has reached that size. > > Andrew > > > ValK wrote:
> Andrew, In that case, use the second method I suggested.> This is exactly how I have done. But this will slow down my process a > big time. > big time. Some times we have over 500 files in scanning directory. Do you mean you have 500 scanners running at the same time? If you only have one document being scanned at a time then you can process all but the one with the newest file date, then inspect that last file. Have you asked Canon for help? > It just drives me crazy. Why everything works the way it should with Because you want to work with TIFFs. If you /wanted/ to work with PDF files, > PDF but not TIF? they would stop working ;-) Andrew We may have more than one document at the same time. Let's say client has 10
scanners and they all scanning to the same shared directory, monitoring by our service. I have to grab file, check if scanning complete and process the file. If file still in scanning, then skip file and go to the next one. I guess the best solution would be to write our own scanner user interface and control files from there(keep file open untill its done, or shoot the trigger file with the same name, but different extention to the same directory after its done). :) I'm not sure if company will go with this approach. Show quoteHide quote "Andrew Morton" wrote: > ValK wrote: > > Andrew, > > This is exactly how I have done. But this will slow down my process a > > big time. > > In that case, use the second method I suggested. > > > big time. Some times we have over 500 files in scanning directory. > > Do you mean you have 500 scanners running at the same time? If you only have > one document being scanned at a time then you can process all but the one > with the newest file date, then inspect that last file. > > Have you asked Canon for help? > > > It just drives me crazy. Why everything works the way it should with > > PDF but not TIF? > > Because you want to work with TIFFs. If you /wanted/ to work with PDF files, > they would stop working ;-) > > Andrew > > > Or do as I suggested, and use a programmatic interface as supplied by
Cannon. I'm sure they would have a "job complete" call back Jeff Show quoteHide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:527E2056-4A66-4B1C-BC1B-8C81DFAA6623@microsoft.com... > We may have more than one document at the same time. Let's say client has > 10 > scanners and they all scanning to the same shared directory, monitoring by > our service. I have to grab file, check if scanning complete and process > the > file. If file still in scanning, then skip file and go to the next one. > > I guess the best solution would be to write our own scanner user interface > and control files from there(keep file open untill its done, or shoot the > trigger file with the same name, but different extention to the same > directory after its done). :) I'm not sure if company will go with this > approach. > > "Andrew Morton" wrote: > >> ValK wrote: >> > Andrew, >> > This is exactly how I have done. But this will slow down my process a >> > big time. >> >> In that case, use the second method I suggested. >> >> > big time. Some times we have over 500 files in scanning directory. >> >> Do you mean you have 500 scanners running at the same time? If you only >> have >> one document being scanned at a time then you can process all but the one >> with the newest file date, then inspect that last file. >> >> Have you asked Canon for help? >> >> > It just drives me crazy. Why everything works the way it should with >> > PDF but not TIF? >> >> Because you want to work with TIFFs. If you /wanted/ to work with PDF >> files, >> they would stop working ;-) >> >> Andrew >> >> >>
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Show quote Hide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:527E2056-4A66-4B1C-BC1B-8C81DFAA6623@microsoft.com... > We may have more than one document at the same time. Let's say client has > 10 > scanners and they all scanning to the same shared directory, monitoring by > our service. I have to grab file, check if scanning complete and process > the > file. If file still in scanning, then skip file and go to the next one. > > I guess the best solution would be to write our own scanner user interface > and control files from there(keep file open untill its done, or shoot the > trigger file with the same name, but different extention to the same > directory after its done). :) I'm not sure if company will go with this > approach. > > "Andrew Morton" wrote: > >> ValK wrote: >> > Andrew, >> > This is exactly how I have done. But this will slow down my process a >> > big time. >> >> In that case, use the second method I suggested. >> >> > big time. Some times we have over 500 files in scanning directory. >> >> Do you mean you have 500 scanners running at the same time? If you only >> have >> one document being scanned at a time then you can process all but the one >> with the newest file date, then inspect that last file. >> >> Have you asked Canon for help? >> >> > It just drives me crazy. Why everything works the way it should with >> > PDF but not TIF? >> >> Because you want to work with TIFFs. If you /wanted/ to work with PDF >> files, >> they would stop working ;-) >> >> Andrew >> >> >> Andrew,
Do you have any code examples or articles how to find the marker/data part of the file? Thanks, Val Show quoteHide quote "Andrew Morton" wrote: > ValK wrote: > > Andrew, > > This is exactly how I have done. But this will slow down my process a > > big time. > > In that case, use the second method I suggested. > > > big time. Some times we have over 500 files in scanning directory. > > Do you mean you have 500 scanners running at the same time? If you only have > one document being scanned at a time then you can process all but the one > with the newest file date, then inspect that last file. > > Have you asked Canon for help? > > > It just drives me crazy. Why everything works the way it should with > > PDF but not TIF? > > Because you want to work with TIFFs. If you /wanted/ to work with PDF files, > they would stop working ;-) > > Andrew > > > ValK wrote:
> Andrew, Search for tif at www.wotsit.org - I'd trust the Adobe document most, and > Do you have any code examples or articles how to find the marker/data > part of the file? hope that Canon conform to it. Or if you have Photoshop 6, I think it's in the SDK which you can install from the CD....<has a look>... yes it is. Go for the wotsit doc. Good luck! Andrew Wait till it's done.
Show quoteHide quote "ValK" <V***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:11E4BC45-9900-44B2-BDB9-F3452A3B9962@microsoft.com... > Andrew, > Do you have any code examples or articles how to find the marker/data part > of the file? > Thanks, > > Val > > "Andrew Morton" wrote: > >> ValK wrote: >> > Andrew, >> > This is exactly how I have done. But this will slow down my process a >> > big time. >> >> In that case, use the second method I suggested. >> >> > big time. Some times we have over 500 files in scanning directory. >> >> Do you mean you have 500 scanners running at the same time? If you only >> have >> one document being scanned at a time then you can process all but the one >> with the newest file date, then inspect that last file. >> >> Have you asked Canon for help? >> >> > It just drives me crazy. Why everything works the way it should with >> > PDF but not TIF? >> >> Because you want to work with TIFFs. If you /wanted/ to work with PDF >> files, >> they would stop working ;-) >> >> Andrew >> >> >> 
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