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Author
11 May 2006 1:34 PM
M. Posseth
i have 3 forms

Public Class Form1
    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
        Dim frm As New Form2
        frm.Show(Me)
    End Sub
    Private _test As String
    Friend Property test() As String
        Get
            Return _test
        End Get
        Set(ByVal value As String)
            _test = value
        End Set
    End Property
    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
        _test = "hallo"
    End Sub
End Class

Public Class Form2
    Private _test As String
    Friend Property test() As String
        Get
            Return _test
        End Get
        Set(ByVal value As String)
            _test = value
        End Set
    End Property
    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
        Dim frm As New Form3
        frm.Show(Me)
    End Sub
    Private Sub Form2_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
        _test = "hallo"
    End Sub
End Class

Public Class Form3

    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
        MsgBox(Form1.test)

        MsgBox(Form2.test)


    End Sub
End Class


why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of form2
?? 

i wonder what i am missing

regards

Michel

Author
11 May 2006 2:05 PM
tomb
M. Posseth wrote:

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>i have 3 forms
>
>Public Class Form1
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        Dim frm As New Form2
>        frm.Show(Me)
>    End Sub
>    Private _test As String
>    Friend Property test() As String
>        Get
>            Return _test
>        End Get
>        Set(ByVal value As String)
>            _test = value
>        End Set
>    End Property
>    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
>        _test = "hallo"
>    End Sub
>End Class
>
>Public Class Form2
>    Private _test As String
>    Friend Property test() As String
>        Get
>            Return _test
>        End Get
>        Set(ByVal value As String)
>            _test = value
>        End Set
>    End Property
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        Dim frm As New Form3
>        frm.Show(Me)
>    End Sub
>    Private Sub Form2_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
>        _test = "hallo"
>    End Sub
>End Class
>
>Public Class Form3
>
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        MsgBox(Form1.test)
>
>        MsgBox(Form2.test)
>
>      
>    End Sub
>End Class
>
>
>why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of form2
>?? 
>
>i wonder what i am missing
>
>regards
>
>Michel  
>
> 
>
Maybe because you are loading Form1 as Form1, but you are instantiating
a new Form2 as frm as a private variable in Form1.

T
Author
11 May 2006 2:35 PM
M. Posseth
Nope....

just tried it this way , and it behaves exactly the same ,

Someone else willing to shine his light on this ??


Public Class Form1
    Private _test As String
    Friend Property test() As String
        Get
            Return _test
        End Get
        Set(ByVal value As String)
            _test = value
        End Set
    End Property

    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
        Dim formB As New Form2
        formB.Show(Me)
    End Sub

    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Me.Load
        _test = "hallo"
    End Sub
End Class

Public Class Form2
    Private _test As String
    Friend Property test() As String
        Get
            Return _test
        End Get
        Set(ByVal value As String)
            _test = value
        End Set
    End Property

    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
        Dim formC As New Form3
        formC.Show(Me)
    End Sub

    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Me.Load
        _test = "hallo"
    End Sub
End Class


Public Class Form3

    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
        MsgBox(Form1.test)


        MsgBox(Form2.test)

    End Sub
End Class






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"tomb" wrote:

> M. Posseth wrote:
>
> >i have 3 forms
> >
> >Public Class Form1
> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
> >        Dim frm As New Form2
> >        frm.Show(Me)
> >    End Sub
> >    Private _test As String
> >    Friend Property test() As String
> >        Get
> >            Return _test
> >        End Get
> >        Set(ByVal value As String)
> >            _test = value
> >        End Set
> >    End Property
> >    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
> >        _test = "hallo"
> >    End Sub
> >End Class
> >
> >Public Class Form2
> >    Private _test As String
> >    Friend Property test() As String
> >        Get
> >            Return _test
> >        End Get
> >        Set(ByVal value As String)
> >            _test = value
> >        End Set
> >    End Property
> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
> >        Dim frm As New Form3
> >        frm.Show(Me)
> >    End Sub
> >    Private Sub Form2_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
> >        _test = "hallo"
> >    End Sub
> >End Class
> >
> >Public Class Form3
> >
> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
> >        MsgBox(Form1.test)
> >
> >        MsgBox(Form2.test)
> >
> >      
> >    End Sub
> >End Class
> >
> >
> >why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of form2
> >?? 
> >
> >i wonder what i am missing
> >
> >regards
> >
> >Michel  
> >
> > 
> >
> Maybe because you are loading Form1 as Form1, but you are instantiating
> a new Form2 as frm as a private variable in Form1.
>
> T
>
Author
11 May 2006 2:56 PM
Cor Ligthert [MVP]
I would thought that it is because  Feyenoord has won the both major cups
from Holland and was the winer of the final from the playoffs from the
regular competition and was one of the 16 best teams in the Eurocompetition.

But that is another team, so you cannot make a fool of yourself by doing
something stupid as the management from Ajax did like sacking the trainer.

Have you somewhere
private form1 as form1

for sure you don't have that for form2 in my idea.

I find it strange it runs.

Just my thought,

Cor


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"M. Posseth" <MPoss***@discussions.microsoft.com> schreef in bericht
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>
> Nope....
>
> just tried it this way , and it behaves exactly the same ,
>
> Someone else willing to shine his light on this ??
>
>
> Public Class Form1
>    Private _test As String
>    Friend Property test() As String
>        Get
>            Return _test
>        End Get
>        Set(ByVal value As String)
>            _test = value
>        End Set
>    End Property
>
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        Dim formB As New Form2
>        formB.Show(Me)
>    End Sub
>
>    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Me.Load
>        _test = "hallo"
>    End Sub
> End Class
>
> Public Class Form2
>    Private _test As String
>    Friend Property test() As String
>        Get
>            Return _test
>        End Get
>        Set(ByVal value As String)
>            _test = value
>        End Set
>    End Property
>
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        Dim formC As New Form3
>        formC.Show(Me)
>    End Sub
>
>    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Me.Load
>        _test = "hallo"
>    End Sub
> End Class
>
>
> Public Class Form3
>
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        MsgBox(Form1.test)
>
>
>        MsgBox(Form2.test)
>
>    End Sub
> End Class
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "tomb" wrote:
>
>> M. Posseth wrote:
>>
>> >i have 3 forms
>> >
>> >Public Class Form1
>> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>> >        Dim frm As New Form2
>> >        frm.Show(Me)
>> >    End Sub
>> >    Private _test As String
>> >    Friend Property test() As String
>> >        Get
>> >            Return _test
>> >        End Get
>> >        Set(ByVal value As String)
>> >            _test = value
>> >        End Set
>> >    End Property
>> >    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
>> >        _test = "hallo"
>> >    End Sub
>> >End Class
>> >
>> >Public Class Form2
>> >    Private _test As String
>> >    Friend Property test() As String
>> >        Get
>> >            Return _test
>> >        End Get
>> >        Set(ByVal value As String)
>> >            _test = value
>> >        End Set
>> >    End Property
>> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>> >        Dim frm As New Form3
>> >        frm.Show(Me)
>> >    End Sub
>> >    Private Sub Form2_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
>> >        _test = "hallo"
>> >    End Sub
>> >End Class
>> >
>> >Public Class Form3
>> >
>> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>> >        MsgBox(Form1.test)
>> >
>> >        MsgBox(Form2.test)
>> >
>> >
>> >    End Sub
>> >End Class
>> >
>> >
>> >why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of
>> >form2
>> >??
>> >
>> >i wonder what i am missing
>> >
>> >regards
>> >
>> >Michel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Maybe because you are loading Form1 as Form1, but you are instantiating
>> a new Form2 as frm as a private variable in Form1.
>>
>> T
>>
Author
11 May 2006 2:48 PM
M. Posseth
Aaarghh :-(


Do i feel stupid ...... Ofcourse now i see what you meant Tom

changed this in form1 and form3

Public Class Form1

    Private _test As String
    Friend Property test() As String
        Get
            Return _test
        End Get
        Set(ByVal value As String)
            _test = value
        End Set
    End Property
    Friend formB As Form2
    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
        formB = New Form2
        formB.Show(Me)
    End Sub

    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Me.Load
        _test = "hallo"
    End Sub
End Class

Public Class Form3

    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
        MsgBox(Form1.test)


        MsgBox(Form1.formB.test)

    End Sub
End Class


and now it works as expected ..... 

i wil sit in a dark corner for a while and shame ;-|











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"tomb" wrote:

> M. Posseth wrote:
>
> >i have 3 forms
> >
> >Public Class Form1
> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
> >        Dim frm As New Form2
> >        frm.Show(Me)
> >    End Sub
> >    Private _test As String
> >    Friend Property test() As String
> >        Get
> >            Return _test
> >        End Get
> >        Set(ByVal value As String)
> >            _test = value
> >        End Set
> >    End Property
> >    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
> >        _test = "hallo"
> >    End Sub
> >End Class
> >
> >Public Class Form2
> >    Private _test As String
> >    Friend Property test() As String
> >        Get
> >            Return _test
> >        End Get
> >        Set(ByVal value As String)
> >            _test = value
> >        End Set
> >    End Property
> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
> >        Dim frm As New Form3
> >        frm.Show(Me)
> >    End Sub
> >    Private Sub Form2_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
> >        _test = "hallo"
> >    End Sub
> >End Class
> >
> >Public Class Form3
> >
> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
> >        MsgBox(Form1.test)
> >
> >        MsgBox(Form2.test)
> >
> >      
> >    End Sub
> >End Class
> >
> >
> >why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of form2
> >?? 
> >
> >i wonder what i am missing
> >
> >regards
> >
> >Michel  
> >
> > 
> >
> Maybe because you are loading Form1 as Form1, but you are instantiating
> a new Form2 as frm as a private variable in Form1.
>
> T
>
Author
11 May 2006 3:29 PM
Cor Ligthert [MVP]
Sorry, still able to be manager from Ajax.

However did you try it already with the "owner" property.

Cor

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"M. Posseth" <MPoss***@discussions.microsoft.com> schreef in bericht
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> Aaarghh :-(
>
>
> Do i feel stupid ...... Ofcourse now i see what you meant Tom
>
> changed this in form1 and form3
>
> Public Class Form1
>
>    Private _test As String
>    Friend Property test() As String
>        Get
>            Return _test
>        End Get
>        Set(ByVal value As String)
>            _test = value
>        End Set
>    End Property
>    Friend formB As Form2
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        formB = New Form2
>        formB.Show(Me)
>    End Sub
>
>    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Me.Load
>        _test = "hallo"
>    End Sub
> End Class
>
> Public Class Form3
>
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        MsgBox(Form1.test)
>
>
>        MsgBox(Form1.formB.test)
>
>    End Sub
> End Class
>
>
> and now it works as expected .....
>
> i wil sit in a dark corner for a while and shame ;-|
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "tomb" wrote:
>
>> M. Posseth wrote:
>>
>> >i have 3 forms
>> >
>> >Public Class Form1
>> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>> >        Dim frm As New Form2
>> >        frm.Show(Me)
>> >    End Sub
>> >    Private _test As String
>> >    Friend Property test() As String
>> >        Get
>> >            Return _test
>> >        End Get
>> >        Set(ByVal value As String)
>> >            _test = value
>> >        End Set
>> >    End Property
>> >    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
>> >        _test = "hallo"
>> >    End Sub
>> >End Class
>> >
>> >Public Class Form2
>> >    Private _test As String
>> >    Friend Property test() As String
>> >        Get
>> >            Return _test
>> >        End Get
>> >        Set(ByVal value As String)
>> >            _test = value
>> >        End Set
>> >    End Property
>> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>> >        Dim frm As New Form3
>> >        frm.Show(Me)
>> >    End Sub
>> >    Private Sub Form2_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
>> >        _test = "hallo"
>> >    End Sub
>> >End Class
>> >
>> >Public Class Form3
>> >
>> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
>> >System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>> >        MsgBox(Form1.test)
>> >
>> >        MsgBox(Form2.test)
>> >
>> >
>> >    End Sub
>> >End Class
>> >
>> >
>> >why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of
>> >form2
>> >??
>> >
>> >i wonder what i am missing
>> >
>> >regards
>> >
>> >Michel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Maybe because you are loading Form1 as Form1, but you are instantiating
>> a new Form2 as frm as a private variable in Form1.
>>
>> T
>>
Author
11 May 2006 3:03 PM
Claes Bergefall
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"M. Posseth" <MPoss***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
> Public Class Form3
>
>    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
>        MsgBox(Form1.test)
>        MsgBox(Form2.test)
>    End Sub
> End Class
>
>
> why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of form2
> ??
>
> i wonder what i am missing

As tomb said in his post, the problem is likely that it creates a new
instance of Form2 while it manages to find the existing instance of Form1.
Pass an instance of Form1 and Form2 to Form3 instead. That way you can be
sure about what object you're really using.

First time I see someone using this feature (accessing forms by name instead
of using a variable). I wasn't to thrilled when I saw that MS had included
that in VB 2005. As you just showed it can lead to really weird behaviour.
VB.NET is a perfectly valid OO language, so why not use it as one instead of
trying to go back to old VB6 behaviour?

   /claes
Author
11 May 2006 3:40 PM
M. Posseth
Hello Claes

I have and will never run into this problem myself    ,,, although i am a
VB6 progger from origin i also never used and  will never use code like i
showed in the example .

Someone showed me this problem and i found it interesting enough to
investigate and threw it in the group as i could not explain this behavior to
him myself

ofcourse when ligthning strook and it was clear to me i felt pretty stupid
for not seeing it in forehand ( before the post )

however  i am with Cors thought l ,,, why the $%$%% does this even compile
???  
( vb makes it to easy to write S#it )


regards

Michel Posseth 




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"Claes Bergefall" wrote:

>
> "M. Posseth" <MPoss***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0CA7A072-38D3-45DC-90F3-34AF6C8D16F6@microsoft.com...
> >
> > Public Class Form3
> >
> >    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> > System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
> >        MsgBox(Form1.test)
> >        MsgBox(Form2.test)
> >    End Sub
> > End Class
> >
> >
> > why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of form2
> > ??
> >
> > i wonder what i am missing
>
> As tomb said in his post, the problem is likely that it creates a new
> instance of Form2 while it manages to find the existing instance of Form1.
> Pass an instance of Form1 and Form2 to Form3 instead. That way you can be
> sure about what object you're really using.
>
> First time I see someone using this feature (accessing forms by name instead
> of using a variable). I wasn't to thrilled when I saw that MS had included
> that in VB 2005. As you just showed it can lead to really weird behaviour.
> VB.NET is a perfectly valid OO language, so why not use it as one instead of
> trying to go back to old VB6 behaviour?
>
>    /claes
>
>
>
>
>
Author
12 May 2006 3:03 PM
Claes Bergefall
"M. Posseth" <MPoss***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2FB590B1-B473-4513-B301-94E97E5EF4A3@microsoft.com...
>
> Hello Claes
>
> I have and will never run into this problem myself    ,,, although i am a
> VB6 progger from origin i also never used and  will never use code like i
> showed in the example .

Good to hear :-)
Neither will I (or anyone on my team)


> Someone showed me this problem and i found it interesting enough to
> investigate and threw it in the group as i could not explain this behavior
> to
> him myself
>
> ofcourse when ligthning strook and it was clear to me i felt pretty stupid
> for not seeing it in forehand ( before the post )
>
> however  i am with Cors thought l ,,, why the $%$%% does this even compile
> ???
> ( vb makes it to easy to write S#it )

Yes, it was interesting. Couldn't understand how it could compile myself
before I remembered seeing something about this feature in the release notes
for VS 2005. Personally I think MS went a step to far in their desire to
please the VB6 programmers.

   /claes

   /claes
Author
11 May 2006 7:39 PM
José_Manuel_Agüero
Hello M. Posset,

Let's see:

MsgBox(Form1.test)
MsgBox(Form2.test)

Where are Form1 and Form2 variables instantiated?
I think you're using VB2005 so you're accesing the default instance of the forms.
Why it works for Form1 and not for Form2?
Because when your application starts, it shows a default instance of Form1; when you invoke Form2.test, the default instance of Form2 is created, but not shown, so the Load event doesn't fire.
Try this (in Form3):
Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
    MsgBox(Form1.test)
    Form2.Show 'Fires Form2.Load event.
    MsgBox(Form2.test)
End Sub

This way you can see that you're accesing the default instance of Form2, not the instance you were seeing in the screen.
Have always in mind that the default instance of a form is different from any instance that you create.

Regards.


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|
| i have 3 forms
|
| Public Class Form1
|    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
| System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
|        Dim frm As New Form2
|        frm.Show(Me)
|    End Sub
|    Private _test As String
|    Friend Property test() As String
|        Get
|            Return _test
|        End Get
|        Set(ByVal value As String)
|            _test = value
|        End Set
|    End Property
|    Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
| System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
|        _test = "hallo"
|    End Sub
| End Class
|
| Public Class Form2
|    Private _test As String
|    Friend Property test() As String
|        Get
|            Return _test
|        End Get
|        Set(ByVal value As String)
|            _test = value
|        End Set
|    End Property
|    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
| System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
|        Dim frm As New Form3
|        frm.Show(Me)
|    End Sub
|    Private Sub Form2_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
| System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load
|        _test = "hallo"
|    End Sub
| End Class
|
| Public Class Form3
|
|    Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
| System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
|        MsgBox(Form1.test)
|
|        MsgBox(Form2.test)
|
|      
|    End Sub
| End Class
|
|
| why gives pressing the button in form3 the value of form1 but not of form2
| ?? 
|
| i wonder what i am missing
|
| regards
|
| Michel  
|



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