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C.NET VS VB6We received this in response to a question we had posed at a trade show meeting. Our proposed app's target features consist of a business application to crunch numbers, show forms, send emails and have Database access, would be web enabled so users set permissions, manipulate user accounts, and billing over web, manipulate database information over the web. <Comment snip > ........."Also, the use of Visual Basic as the development environment poses its own risk to the development. In general, tools like Visual Basic are most effective when target features closely match their capabilities. When target features require the developer to stretch the capabilities of the tool, it can result in significant, unexpected development time. For better flexibility in creating the application, we would recommend that development be performed in C#.NET. However, as long as you're willing to compromise your feature set to match the capabilities of Visual Basic, VB should deliver adequate results." <End Comment snip> Am I missing something? Could any of you give my the benefit or your opinion and a shortlist of those "feature sets" capabilities that VB does not do too well at. I thought the whole MS office suite had a VB backbone. What would be compromised in VB6 as opposed to C#.net?? Thanks AK Just curious, why would the choice be between C#.Net vs. VB6 and not C#.Net
vs. VB.Net? -- Show quoteHide quoteTerry "AK" wrote: > Hello All, > > > > We received this in response to a question we had posed at a trade show > meeting. Our proposed app's target features consist of a business > application to crunch numbers, show forms, send emails and have Database > access, would be web enabled so users set permissions, manipulate user > accounts, and billing over web, manipulate database information over the > web. > > > > <Comment snip > > > ........."Also, the use of Visual Basic as the development environment poses > its own risk to the development. In general, tools like Visual Basic are > most effective when > target features closely match their capabilities. When target features > require the developer to > stretch the capabilities of the tool, it can result in significant, > unexpected development time. For > better flexibility in creating the application, we would recommend that > development be performed > in C#.NET. However, as long as you're willing to compromise your feature set > to match > the capabilities of Visual Basic, VB should deliver adequate results." > > <End Comment snip> > > > > Am I missing something? Could any of you give my the benefit or your opinion > and a shortlist of those "feature sets" capabilities that VB does not do too > well at. I > thought the whole MS office suite had a VB backbone. What would be > compromised in VB6 as opposed to C#.net?? > > > Thanks AK > > > if you were talking about VB.Net VS C#
In the features that you require both VB.Net and C# can do the job i.m.h.o. VB has some important extra`s for a project that C# not has 1. VB.Net programmers are easier to find 2. VB.net programmers are cheaper as C# programmers 3. VB is a true RAD platform 4. VB has a bigger and more active comunity before a flamewar starts i also program in C# and find C# better for low level stuff not because VB couldn`t do the job cause it can but just for the fact that a lot of Java and C projects are ported to C# so it is easier to find some docu on how to do stuff regards Michel Posseth [MCP] Show quoteHide quote "Terry" <Terry@nospam.nospam> schreef in bericht news:5E8C4116-79B6-426A-B4DB-4662CF12FD7F@microsoft.com... > Just curious, why would the choice be between C#.Net vs. VB6 and not > C#.Net > vs. VB.Net? > -- > Terry > > > "AK" wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> We received this in response to a question we had posed at a trade show >> meeting. Our proposed app's target features consist of a business >> application to crunch numbers, show forms, send emails and have Database >> access, would be web enabled so users set permissions, manipulate user >> accounts, and billing over web, manipulate database information over the >> web. >> >> >> >> <Comment snip > >> >> ........."Also, the use of Visual Basic as the development environment >> poses >> its own risk to the development. In general, tools like Visual Basic are >> most effective when >> target features closely match their capabilities. When target features >> require the developer to >> stretch the capabilities of the tool, it can result in significant, >> unexpected development time. For >> better flexibility in creating the application, we would recommend that >> development be performed >> in C#.NET. However, as long as you're willing to compromise your feature >> set >> to match >> the capabilities of Visual Basic, VB should deliver adequate results." >> >> <End Comment snip> >> >> >> >> Am I missing something? Could any of you give my the benefit or your >> opinion >> and a shortlist of those "feature sets" capabilities that VB does not do >> too >> well at. I >> thought the whole MS office suite had a VB backbone. What would be >> compromised in VB6 as opposed to C#.net?? >> >> >> Thanks AK >> >> >> Hey Guys,
Thanks for the input.. In answer to the question about why I was asking about VB6 as opposed to VB.net We have a skunk worked concept prototype in VB6 simply because it was tool that we had on the shelf when we stated kicking things around. It has done well, but as you all know, these things can take on a life of their own as far as scope creep to add features, and I am trying to look down the road. If we take things further i just wanted to know how soon we were going to run off a cliff with the various lanuguges. (Maybe we should port to VB.net??? How is VB.net better that VB6??) My assessment from prior shop-talk conversations with coders was that various languages are better suited to various tasks. On pressing further, though, I many times found that those that were dissing C++ for example were not C++ shops, and those that were dissing VB or VB.net were C++ shops! I alway have thought that such talk was kind of like saying "Fords are crummy cars because I drive a Chevy"! AK Show quoteHide quote "Terry" <Terry@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:5E8C4116-79B6-426A-B4DB-4662CF12FD7F@microsoft.com... > Just curious, why would the choice be between C#.Net vs. VB6 and not > C#.Net > vs. VB.Net? > -- > Terry > > > "AK" wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> We received this in response to a question we had posed at a trade show >> meeting. Our proposed app's target features consist of a business >> application to crunch numbers, show forms, send emails and have Database >> access, would be web enabled so users set permissions, manipulate user >> accounts, and billing over web, manipulate database information over the >> web. >> >> >> >> <Comment snip > >> >> ........."Also, the use of Visual Basic as the development environment >> poses >> its own risk to the development. In general, tools like Visual Basic are >> most effective when >> target features closely match their capabilities. When target features >> require the developer to >> stretch the capabilities of the tool, it can result in significant, >> unexpected development time. For >> better flexibility in creating the application, we would recommend that >> development be performed >> in C#.NET. However, as long as you're willing to compromise your feature >> set >> to match >> the capabilities of Visual Basic, VB should deliver adequate results." >> >> <End Comment snip> >> >> >> >> Am I missing something? Could any of you give my the benefit or your >> opinion >> and a shortlist of those "feature sets" capabilities that VB does not do >> too >> well at. I >> thought the whole MS office suite had a VB backbone. What would be >> compromised in VB6 as opposed to C#.net?? >> >> >> Thanks AK >> >> >> VB.Net vs VB6
VB.Net is a full featured OOP language , VB.Net is a .Net framework development environment just as C# and J# C++.Net etc etc so in the end they all run on the same .Net runtime ( so if one is faster as the other it means they are coded differently ) as the different dev environments all produce IL code that is feeded to the Runtime environment .. >> How is VB.net better that VB6 Well it is all a mather of preferences as a experienced VB6 and VB.Net programmer i can tell you that in my opinion some parts of VB6 are superior to VB.Net however i also found the oposite true in many cases , as i make a living of coding i choosed to go for the future and did not stick to VB6 ( although in some occassions i still do some maintenance programming in VB6 ) ,,,, VB.Net is the future for VB proggers In the past in the C++, VB6 debate there were some bigger differences C++ was more powerfull as VB6 however do you need a cruise missile to kill a bug ?? VB6 was in a lot of situations the better choice as already in this time VB6 was a RAD tool . Now in the C# vs VB.Net erra we do not have these differences in power So it is now a mather of personal coding preference ,,, do you feel yourself at home in curly braced coding C++ , Java background or are you a starting coder with a scientific background go for C# do you have a VB6 , Cobol , Fortran background or a starting coder who likes intuitive language syntax go for VB.Net regards Michel Posseth [MCP] Show quoteHide quote "AK" <nospam@satx.rr.com> schreef in bericht news:eR0gCkDqGHA.4812@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Hey Guys, > > Thanks for the input.. > In answer to the question about why I was asking about VB6 as opposed to > VB.net > > We have a skunk worked concept prototype in VB6 simply because it was tool > that we had on the shelf when we stated kicking things around. It has done > well, but as you all know, these things can take on a life of their own as > far as scope creep to add features, and I am trying to look down the road. > If we take things further i just wanted to know how soon we were going to > run off a cliff with the various lanuguges. (Maybe we should port to > VB.net??? How is VB.net better that VB6??) > > My assessment from prior shop-talk conversations with coders was that > various languages are better suited to various tasks. On pressing further, > though, I many times found that those that were dissing C++ for example > were not C++ shops, and those that were dissing VB or VB.net were C++ > shops! I alway have thought that such talk was kind of like saying "Fords > are crummy cars because I drive a Chevy"! > > > AK > > "Terry" <Terry@nospam.nospam> wrote in message > news:5E8C4116-79B6-426A-B4DB-4662CF12FD7F@microsoft.com... >> Just curious, why would the choice be between C#.Net vs. VB6 and not >> C#.Net >> vs. VB.Net? >> -- >> Terry >> >> >> "AK" wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> >>> >>> We received this in response to a question we had posed at a trade show >>> meeting. Our proposed app's target features consist of a business >>> application to crunch numbers, show forms, send emails and have Database >>> access, would be web enabled so users set permissions, manipulate user >>> accounts, and billing over web, manipulate database information over the >>> web. >>> >>> >>> >>> <Comment snip > >>> >>> ........."Also, the use of Visual Basic as the development environment >>> poses >>> its own risk to the development. In general, tools like Visual Basic are >>> most effective when >>> target features closely match their capabilities. When target features >>> require the developer to >>> stretch the capabilities of the tool, it can result in significant, >>> unexpected development time. For >>> better flexibility in creating the application, we would recommend that >>> development be performed >>> in C#.NET. However, as long as you're willing to compromise your feature >>> set >>> to match >>> the capabilities of Visual Basic, VB should deliver adequate results." >>> >>> <End Comment snip> >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I missing something? Could any of you give my the benefit or your >>> opinion >>> and a shortlist of those "feature sets" capabilities that VB does not do >>> too >>> well at. I >>> thought the whole MS office suite had a VB backbone. What would be >>> compromised in VB6 as opposed to C#.net?? >>> >>> >>> Thanks AK >>> >>> >>> > > hi,
AK i would recommend that you start reading an introductory chapter about vb.net. Personnally, I started writing in C and C++ when I was at the university. Now I am using VB.net to write all my applications. Yet VB.NET 2005 is a great addition to visual studio ....If you Microsoft Access then you will find that it is easier to work with vb 2005. Show quoteHide quote "Michel Posseth [MCP]" wrote: > > VB.Net vs VB6 > > VB.Net is a full featured OOP language , VB.Net is a .Net framework > development environment just as C# and J# C++.Net etc etc > so in the end they all run on the same .Net runtime ( so if one is faster > as the other it means they are coded differently ) as the different dev > environments all produce IL code that is feeded to the Runtime environment > .. > > >> How is VB.net better that VB6 > > Well it is all a mather of preferences as a experienced VB6 and VB.Net > programmer i can tell you that in my opinion some parts of VB6 are superior > to VB.Net > however i also found the oposite true in many cases , as i make a living of > coding i choosed to go for the future and did not stick to VB6 ( although in > some occassions i still do some maintenance programming in VB6 ) ,,,, VB.Net > is the future for VB proggers > > In the past in the C++, VB6 debate there were some bigger differences > C++ was more powerfull as VB6 however do you need a cruise missile to kill > a bug ?? VB6 was in a lot of situations the better choice as already in > this time VB6 was a RAD tool . > > Now in the C# vs VB.Net erra we do not have these differences in power > > So it is now a mather of personal coding preference ,,, do you feel > yourself at home in curly braced coding C++ , Java background or are you > a starting coder with a scientific background go for C# do you have a VB6 > , Cobol , Fortran background or a starting coder who likes intuitive > language syntax go for VB.Net > > > regards > > Michel Posseth [MCP] > > > "AK" <nospam@satx.rr.com> schreef in bericht > news:eR0gCkDqGHA.4812@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > Hey Guys, > > > > Thanks for the input.. > > In answer to the question about why I was asking about VB6 as opposed to > > VB.net > > > > We have a skunk worked concept prototype in VB6 simply because it was tool > > that we had on the shelf when we stated kicking things around. It has done > > well, but as you all know, these things can take on a life of their own as > > far as scope creep to add features, and I am trying to look down the road. > > If we take things further i just wanted to know how soon we were going to > > run off a cliff with the various lanuguges. (Maybe we should port to > > VB.net??? How is VB.net better that VB6??) > > > > My assessment from prior shop-talk conversations with coders was that > > various languages are better suited to various tasks. On pressing further, > > though, I many times found that those that were dissing C++ for example > > were not C++ shops, and those that were dissing VB or VB.net were C++ > > shops! I alway have thought that such talk was kind of like saying "Fords > > are crummy cars because I drive a Chevy"! > > > > > > AK > > > > "Terry" <Terry@nospam.nospam> wrote in message > > news:5E8C4116-79B6-426A-B4DB-4662CF12FD7F@microsoft.com... > >> Just curious, why would the choice be between C#.Net vs. VB6 and not > >> C#.Net > >> vs. VB.Net? > >> -- > >> Terry > >> > >> > >> "AK" wrote: > >> > >>> Hello All, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> We received this in response to a question we had posed at a trade show > >>> meeting. Our proposed app's target features consist of a business > >>> application to crunch numbers, show forms, send emails and have Database > >>> access, would be web enabled so users set permissions, manipulate user > >>> accounts, and billing over web, manipulate database information over the > >>> web. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> <Comment snip > > >>> > >>> ........."Also, the use of Visual Basic as the development environment > >>> poses > >>> its own risk to the development. In general, tools like Visual Basic are > >>> most effective when > >>> target features closely match their capabilities. When target features > >>> require the developer to > >>> stretch the capabilities of the tool, it can result in significant, > >>> unexpected development time. For > >>> better flexibility in creating the application, we would recommend that > >>> development be performed > >>> in C#.NET. However, as long as you're willing to compromise your feature > >>> set > >>> to match > >>> the capabilities of Visual Basic, VB should deliver adequate results." > >>> > >>> <End Comment snip> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Am I missing something? Could any of you give my the benefit or your > >>> opinion > >>> and a shortlist of those "feature sets" capabilities that VB does not do > >>> too > >>> well at. I > >>> thought the whole MS office suite had a VB backbone. What would be > >>> compromised in VB6 as opposed to C#.net?? > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks AK > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > Thanks to you and Michael for the non-flamed information.
Uh Oh! Re: your mention of VB 2005 ... Is that something beyond VB.net, but still of the VB lineage????... or is VB 2005 the predecessor. ??? or is VB 2005 something completely different? I can tell that I have some studying up to do! Thanks AK Show quoteHide quote "naraby" <nar***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E3032DBC-F93E-4F1E-8102-DC7A80461C0A@microsoft.com... > hi, > AK i would recommend that you start reading an introductory chapter about > vb.net. > Personnally, I started writing in C and C++ when I was at the university. > Now I am using VB.net to write all my applications. Yet VB.NET 2005 is a > great addition to visual studio ....If you Microsoft Access then you will > find that it is easier to work with vb 2005. > > "Michel Posseth [MCP]" wrote: > >> >> VB.Net vs VB6 >> >> VB.Net is a full featured OOP language , VB.Net is a .Net framework >> development environment just as C# and J# C++.Net etc etc >> so in the end they all run on the same .Net runtime ( so if one is >> faster >> as the other it means they are coded differently ) as the different dev >> environments all produce IL code that is feeded to the Runtime >> environment >> .. >> >> >> How is VB.net better that VB6 >> >> Well it is all a mather of preferences as a experienced VB6 and VB.Net >> programmer i can tell you that in my opinion some parts of VB6 are >> superior >> to VB.Net >> however i also found the oposite true in many cases , as i make a living >> of >> coding i choosed to go for the future and did not stick to VB6 ( although >> in >> some occassions i still do some maintenance programming in VB6 ) ,,,, >> VB.Net >> is the future for VB proggers >> >> In the past in the C++, VB6 debate there were some bigger differences >> C++ was more powerfull as VB6 however do you need a cruise missile to >> kill >> a bug ?? VB6 was in a lot of situations the better choice as already in >> this time VB6 was a RAD tool . >> >> Now in the C# vs VB.Net erra we do not have these differences in power >> >> So it is now a mather of personal coding preference ,,, do you feel >> yourself at home in curly braced coding C++ , Java background or are >> you >> a starting coder with a scientific background go for C# do you have a >> VB6 >> , Cobol , Fortran background or a starting coder who likes intuitive >> language syntax go for VB.Net >> >> >> regards >> >> Michel Posseth [MCP] >> >> >> "AK" <nospam@satx.rr.com> schreef in bericht >> news:eR0gCkDqGHA.4812@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> > Hey Guys, >> > >> > Thanks for the input.. >> > In answer to the question about why I was asking about VB6 as opposed >> > to >> > VB.net >> > >> > We have a skunk worked concept prototype in VB6 simply because it was >> > tool >> > that we had on the shelf when we stated kicking things around. It has >> > done >> > well, but as you all know, these things can take on a life of their own >> > as >> > far as scope creep to add features, and I am trying to look down the >> > road. >> > If we take things further i just wanted to know how soon we were going >> > to >> > run off a cliff with the various lanuguges. (Maybe we should port to >> > VB.net??? How is VB.net better that VB6??) >> > >> > My assessment from prior shop-talk conversations with coders was that >> > various languages are better suited to various tasks. On pressing >> > further, >> > though, I many times found that those that were dissing C++ for >> > example >> > were not C++ shops, and those that were dissing VB or VB.net were C++ >> > shops! I alway have thought that such talk was kind of like saying >> > "Fords >> > are crummy cars because I drive a Chevy"! >> > >> > >> > AK >> > >> > "Terry" <Terry@nospam.nospam> wrote in message >> > news:5E8C4116-79B6-426A-B4DB-4662CF12FD7F@microsoft.com... >> >> Just curious, why would the choice be between C#.Net vs. VB6 and not >> >> C#.Net >> >> vs. VB.Net? >> >> -- >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> >> "AK" wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello All, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> We received this in response to a question we had posed at a trade >> >>> show >> >>> meeting. Our proposed app's target features consist of a business >> >>> application to crunch numbers, show forms, send emails and have >> >>> Database >> >>> access, would be web enabled so users set permissions, manipulate >> >>> user >> >>> accounts, and billing over web, manipulate database information over >> >>> the >> >>> web. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> <Comment snip > >> >>> >> >>> ........."Also, the use of Visual Basic as the development >> >>> environment >> >>> poses >> >>> its own risk to the development. In general, tools like Visual Basic >> >>> are >> >>> most effective when >> >>> target features closely match their capabilities. When target >> >>> features >> >>> require the developer to >> >>> stretch the capabilities of the tool, it can result in significant, >> >>> unexpected development time. For >> >>> better flexibility in creating the application, we would recommend >> >>> that >> >>> development be performed >> >>> in C#.NET. However, as long as you're willing to compromise your >> >>> feature >> >>> set >> >>> to match >> >>> the capabilities of Visual Basic, VB should deliver adequate >> >>> results." >> >>> >> >>> <End Comment snip> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Am I missing something? Could any of you give my the benefit or your >> >>> opinion >> >>> and a shortlist of those "feature sets" capabilities that VB does not >> >>> do >> >>> too >> >>> well at. I >> >>> thought the whole MS office suite had a VB backbone. What would be >> >>> compromised in VB6 as opposed to C#.net?? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Thanks AK >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> > >> >> >> "AK" <nospam@satx.rr.com> skrev i en meddelelse Why not download the free express version.news:%23DnOd8OqGHA.4032@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Thanks to you and Michael for the non-flamed information. > > > Uh Oh! Re: your mention of VB 2005 ... Is that something beyond VB.net, > but still of the VB lineage????... or is VB 2005 the predecessor. ??? or > is VB 2005 something completely different? > > I can tell that I have some studying up to do! > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ or direct link to vb http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb/ VB 2005 IS THE LATEST VERSION of VB.NET
LARS GAVE YOU THE LINK TO DOWNLOAD THE FREE LIMITED CAPABILITY VERSION OF VB.NET CALLED VB EXPRESS http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb/ I strongly recommend using it Show quoteHide quote "Lars G" wrote: > > "AK" <nospam@satx.rr.com> skrev i en meddelelse > news:%23DnOd8OqGHA.4032@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > Thanks to you and Michael for the non-flamed information. > > > > > > Uh Oh! Re: your mention of VB 2005 ... Is that something beyond VB.net, > > but still of the VB lineage????... or is VB 2005 the predecessor. ??? or > > is VB 2005 something completely different? > > > > I can tell that I have some studying up to do! > > > > Why not download the free express version. > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ > > or direct link to vb > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb/ > > > Naraby, here's a great resource for you:
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22caps+lock%22+%22turn+off%22+%22how+to%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta= Good luck putting it into practise! naraby wrote: Show quoteHide quote > VB 2005 IS THE LATEST VERSION of VB.NET > LARS GAVE YOU THE LINK TO DOWNLOAD THE FREE LIMITED CAPABILITY VERSION OF > VB.NET CALLED VB EXPRESS > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb/ > I strongly recommend using it Clarification:
The express editions are the same compilers found in VS 2005 versions. The only limits are in the development IDEs. Mike Ober. Show quoteHide quote "naraby" <nar***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FECD6C99-7060-40BE-9E14-8AE1CF094E60@microsoft.com... > VB 2005 IS THE LATEST VERSION of VB.NET > LARS GAVE YOU THE LINK TO DOWNLOAD THE FREE LIMITED CAPABILITY VERSION OF > VB.NET CALLED VB EXPRESS > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb/ > I strongly recommend using it > > "Lars G" wrote: > >> >> "AK" <nospam@satx.rr.com> skrev i en meddelelse >> news:%23DnOd8OqGHA.4032@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> > Thanks to you and Michael for the non-flamed information. >> > >> > >> > Uh Oh! Re: your mention of VB 2005 ... Is that something beyond >> > VB.net, >> > but still of the VB lineage????... or is VB 2005 the predecessor. ??? >> > or >> > is VB 2005 something completely different? >> > >> > I can tell that I have some studying up to do! >> > >> >> Why not download the free express version. >> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ >> >> or direct link to vb >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb/ >> >> >> 
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