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Slow startup of Deployed ApplicationI realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows needs to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my application.... Is there anyway to either ... - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of message. I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple splash window ... this launcher would - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... - call my application to start ... - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton is open yet ... - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... Any thoughts / ideas ... Thanks Jeff. What is the issue?
jeff wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Hi All. > > I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows needs > to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my application.... > > Is there anyway to either ... > > - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) > > - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of > message. > > I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple splash > window ... > > this launcher would > > - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... > - call my application to start ... > - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton is > open yet ... > - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... > > > Any thoughts / ideas ... > > Thanks > Jeff. I'm guessing he's suffering the issue whereby a user clicks on the icon to
start his application, then nothing happens for several seconds... This causes the user to get frustrated and click on the icon again, creating multiple copies of the application. This doesn't help with the perception of performance either... I've had users complain about this.. t's even worse on a fresh install because the application then needs "jitting" Regards Simon -- Show quoteHide quoteSimon Verona "Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1158776902.814824.250950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > What is the issue? > > jeff wrote: >> Hi All. >> >> I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows >> needs >> to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my >> application.... >> >> Is there anyway to either ... >> >> - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) >> >> - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of >> message. >> >> I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple >> splash >> window ... >> >> this launcher would >> >> - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... >> - call my application to start ... >> - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton is >> open yet ... >> - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... >> >> >> Any thoughts / ideas ... >> >> Thanks >> Jeff. > If it takes several seconds or even 10 seconds then there is another
problem. My computer is only a 1.8ghz processor with 512mb RAM and when i double click on my .NET 2005 2.0 framework application which uses 3rd party Infragistiscs controls AND queries a SQL Server 2000 database 6 times on Form load.... It opens in 1 maybe 1.5 seconds. Yes it is slower than VB6, but not 10 seconds slower or even 4 seconds slower. So yes you might think about upgrading the users PC's if it's actually taking 10 seconds too load 1 .NET application. I did create a splash screen once for a .NET application which ran 30 or 40 queries on a database before loading. Even then it only took around 7 or 8 seconds too load. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I don't think the .NET assembly is the entire issue here. Izzy Simon Verona wrote: Show quoteHide quote > I'm guessing he's suffering the issue whereby a user clicks on the icon to > start his application, then nothing happens for several seconds... This > causes the user to get frustrated and click on the icon again, creating > multiple copies of the application. > > This doesn't help with the perception of performance either... I've had > users complain about this.. t's even worse on a fresh install because the > application then needs "jitting" > > Regards > Simon > > -- > Simon Verona > > "Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1158776902.814824.250950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > What is the issue? > > > > jeff wrote: > >> Hi All. > >> > >> I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows > >> needs > >> to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my > >> application.... > >> > >> Is there anyway to either ... > >> > >> - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) > >> > >> - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of > >> message. > >> > >> I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple > >> splash > >> window ... > >> > >> this launcher would > >> > >> - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... > >> - call my application to start ... > >> - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton is > >> open yet ... > >> - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... > >> > >> > >> Any thoughts / ideas ... > >> > >> Thanks > >> Jeff. > > Izzy ...
your experience is great ... and thanks for your two cents ... unfortunately, my situation is not the same as yours ... and this is an issue for me and our client. a single window (form) application with a 'hello world' button on it takes the same time to load for the client as does the production application we built. So as complicated as your application may be, or as 'streamline' your application maybe during the load process, it would be nearly impossible for it to load faster than the 'one form', 'one button' test application - which still takes the same amount of time to load. The cause of their problem is not 'hardware' as they all have 'dell' computers, with the oldest being 2 yrs and all have 512mb ram... And when they double click on the .Net 2005 2.0 framework application which uses a single form and runs NO queries ... it is lightning fast - THE SECOND TIME. it is the first time they experience the delay ... user comes to work, starts up their machine, logs on ... double-clicks icon and waits... user checks a few things ... closes application... goes for a coffee...comes back .... double-clicks icon ... boom application is there ... no lag. So, what this tells me ... I maybe wrong (which I am more times than not) ... that the initial loading of the .net 2 framework is the cause of the delay ... and not the program ... As for what is delaying the loading of the .net 2 framework - who knows... antivirus programs, disk scanning programs, and so on ... as I said, I do not experience this delay on my development machine or even my test machine and this delay is not consistant between user with the same hardware configuration ... So, I just simply want to pre-load the .net 2 framework during startup... make it an OS delay ... do not delay the opening of our application ... making it a #$&^ing application delay. So, I will ask my question again ... Is there a way to preload the .net 2 framework during the computer startup ? A simple yes or no would be great ... Thanks Jeff. Show quoteHide quote "Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1158782450.971369.50370@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > If it takes several seconds or even 10 seconds then there is another > problem. > > My computer is only a 1.8ghz processor with 512mb RAM and when i double > click on my .NET 2005 2.0 framework application which uses 3rd party > Infragistiscs controls AND queries a SQL Server 2000 database 6 times > on Form load.... > > It opens in 1 maybe 1.5 seconds. > > Yes it is slower than VB6, but not 10 seconds slower or even 4 seconds > slower. > > So yes you might think about upgrading the users PC's if it's actually > taking 10 seconds too load 1 .NET application. > > I did create a splash screen once for a .NET application which ran 30 > or 40 queries on a database before loading. Even then it only took > around 7 or 8 seconds too load. > > Sorry I can't be of more help, but I don't think the .NET assembly is > the entire issue here. > > Izzy > > Simon Verona wrote: >> I'm guessing he's suffering the issue whereby a user clicks on the icon >> to >> start his application, then nothing happens for several seconds... This >> causes the user to get frustrated and click on the icon again, creating >> multiple copies of the application. >> >> This doesn't help with the perception of performance either... I've had >> users complain about this.. t's even worse on a fresh install because the >> application then needs "jitting" >> >> Regards >> Simon >> >> -- >> Simon Verona >> >> "Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1158776902.814824.250950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > What is the issue? >> > >> > jeff wrote: >> >> Hi All. >> >> >> >> I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows >> >> needs >> >> to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my >> >> application.... >> >> >> >> Is there anyway to either ... >> >> >> >> - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) >> >> >> >> - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of >> >> message. >> >> >> >> I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple >> >> splash >> >> window ... >> >> >> >> this launcher would >> >> >> >> - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... >> >> - call my application to start ... >> >> - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton >> >> is >> >> open yet ... >> >> - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... >> >> >> >> >> >> Any thoughts / ideas ... >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Jeff. >> > > You could try writting a simple single form applicaton and add the
..exe path too this registery key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run This way when the OS starts the .NET dll's will get cached. Or you could even have your application run at startup via this registry key, this way the delay will only happen when the OS starts. If you don't want your app actually starting automatically then add a startup parameter, and don't show the main form when the application is started via the OS. I hope that makes since. I don't think the issue is the .NET framework but probably the JIT (Just-In-Time) compiler. Let me know if this helps. Izzy jeff wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Izzy ... > > your experience is great ... and thanks for your two cents ... > unfortunately, my situation is not the same as yours ... and this is an > issue for me and our client. > > a single window (form) application with a 'hello world' button on it takes > the same time to load for the client as does the production application we > built. So as complicated as your application may be, or as 'streamline' > your application maybe during the load process, it would be nearly > impossible for it to load faster than the 'one form', 'one button' test > application - which still takes the same amount of time to load. > > The cause of their problem is not 'hardware' as they all have 'dell' > computers, with the oldest being 2 yrs and all have 512mb ram... And when > they double click on the .Net 2005 2.0 framework application which uses a > single form and runs NO queries ... it is lightning fast - THE SECOND TIME. > it is the first time they experience the delay ... user comes to work, > starts up their machine, logs on ... double-clicks icon and waits... user > checks a few things ... closes application... goes for a coffee...comes back > ... double-clicks icon ... boom application is there ... no lag. So, what > this tells me ... I maybe wrong (which I am more times than not) ... that > the initial loading of the .net 2 framework is the cause of the delay ... > and not the program ... > > As for what is delaying the loading of the .net 2 framework - who knows... > antivirus programs, disk scanning programs, and so on ... as I said, I do > not experience this delay on my development machine or even my test machine > and this delay is not consistant between user with the same hardware > configuration ... So, I just simply want to pre-load the .net 2 framework > during startup... make it an OS delay ... do not delay the opening of our > application ... making it a #$&^ing application delay. > > So, > > I will ask my question again ... > > Is there a way to preload the .net 2 framework during the computer startup ? > > A simple yes or no would be great ... > > Thanks > Jeff. > > "Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1158782450.971369.50370@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > If it takes several seconds or even 10 seconds then there is another > > problem. > > > > My computer is only a 1.8ghz processor with 512mb RAM and when i double > > click on my .NET 2005 2.0 framework application which uses 3rd party > > Infragistiscs controls AND queries a SQL Server 2000 database 6 times > > on Form load.... > > > > It opens in 1 maybe 1.5 seconds. > > > > Yes it is slower than VB6, but not 10 seconds slower or even 4 seconds > > slower. > > > > So yes you might think about upgrading the users PC's if it's actually > > taking 10 seconds too load 1 .NET application. > > > > I did create a splash screen once for a .NET application which ran 30 > > or 40 queries on a database before loading. Even then it only took > > around 7 or 8 seconds too load. > > > > Sorry I can't be of more help, but I don't think the .NET assembly is > > the entire issue here. > > > > Izzy > > > > Simon Verona wrote: > >> I'm guessing he's suffering the issue whereby a user clicks on the icon > >> to > >> start his application, then nothing happens for several seconds... This > >> causes the user to get frustrated and click on the icon again, creating > >> multiple copies of the application. > >> > >> This doesn't help with the perception of performance either... I've had > >> users complain about this.. t's even worse on a fresh install because the > >> application then needs "jitting" > >> > >> Regards > >> Simon > >> > >> -- > >> Simon Verona > >> > >> "Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:1158776902.814824.250950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> > What is the issue? > >> > > >> > jeff wrote: > >> >> Hi All. > >> >> > >> >> I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows > >> >> needs > >> >> to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my > >> >> application.... > >> >> > >> >> Is there anyway to either ... > >> >> > >> >> - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) > >> >> > >> >> - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of > >> >> message. > >> >> > >> >> I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple > >> >> splash > >> >> window ... > >> >> > >> >> this launcher would > >> >> > >> >> - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... > >> >> - call my application to start ... > >> >> - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton > >> >> is > >> >> open yet ... > >> >> - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Any thoughts / ideas ... > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> >> Jeff. > >> > > > the delay before my project starts... the user sits and waits ... sometimes
10 seconds ... that is the issue. so, my question / issue is there a way to ... a. preload the net 2 framework ... to avoid this delay. b. have a popup window start before the .net 2 framework loads indicating to the user to wait 5 / 6 seconds while OS loads its NET framework...this is not likely, 'cause any 'splash window' would require the .net framework to be loaded. c. what are other people doing to notify the user to hold on tight ... 'cause we are waiting for the OS to load the .net framework. d. tell all the users you need to upgrade to 2 gigs of ram ... e. preload the .net framework during startup / reboot of the computer. Ideas? Thanks Jeff Show quoteHide quote "Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1158776902.814824.250950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > What is the issue? > > jeff wrote: >> Hi All. >> >> I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows >> needs >> to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my >> application.... >> >> Is there anyway to either ... >> >> - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) >> >> - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of >> message. >> >> I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple >> splash >> window ... >> >> this launcher would >> >> - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... >> - call my application to start ... >> - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton is >> open yet ... >> - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... >> >> >> Any thoughts / ideas ... >> >> Thanks >> Jeff. >
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:15:15 -0700, "jeff" <jhersey at allnorth dottt com> wrote: 1) I use the builtin Splash Screen funtionality in VB2005. It loads and displays> >the delay before my project starts... the user sits and waits ... sometimes >10 seconds ... that is the issue. > >so, my question / issue is there a way to ... > >a. preload the net 2 framework ... to avoid this delay. > >b. have a popup window start before the .net 2 framework loads indicating to >the user to wait 5 / 6 seconds while OS loads its NET framework...this is >not likely, 'cause any 'splash window' would require the .net framework to >be loaded. > >c. what are other people doing to notify the user to hold on tight ... >'cause we are waiting for the OS to load the .net framework. > >d. tell all the users you need to upgrade to 2 gigs of ram ... > >e. preload the .net framework during startup / reboot of the computer. > >Ideas? > >Thanks > >Jeff > > >"Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:1158776902.814824.250950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> What is the issue? >> >> jeff wrote: >>> Hi All. >>> >>> I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows >>> needs >>> to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my >>> application.... >>> >>> Is there anyway to either ... >>> >>> - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) >>> >>> - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of >>> message. >>> >>> I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple >>> splash >>> window ... >>> >>> this launcher would >>> >>> - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... >>> - call my application to start ... >>> - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton is >>> open yet ... >>> - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts / ideas ... >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jeff. >> > "before" any other part of the application is initialized. From a cold boot, the builtin splash (at least in my cases) displays within a second or two. This would not be the case necessarily using a standard form as a Splash Screen launched from a SubMain (), for example. 2) Use the main form load event only for getting the main form displayed asap. When the main form is displayed, the builtin Splash Screen closes and the main form's Shown Event is fired. Use the Shown Event to do any furher initializations. If that's a lenghty process, you can display some kind of wait/progress form from the Shown Event. Gene that is exactly what i do ...
for me.. the delay is 1 - 2 seconds from a cold boot / fresh deploy ... on my development machine and test machines. however, my clients ... who have older machines, less ram and so on ... suffer from the lag of loading the .net framework (some as long as 10 seconds) ... and they are the ones i care about ...once the framework is loaded, the application is fast ... Thanks Jeff Show quoteHide quote "gene kelley" <o***@by.me> wrote in message news:rd53h2tqikasrc7nqh2u4a40vocpkk905h@4ax.com... > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:15:15 -0700, "jeff" <jhersey at allnorth dottt com> > wrote: > >> >>the delay before my project starts... the user sits and waits ... >>sometimes >>10 seconds ... that is the issue. >> >>so, my question / issue is there a way to ... >> >>a. preload the net 2 framework ... to avoid this delay. >> >>b. have a popup window start before the .net 2 framework loads indicating >>to >>the user to wait 5 / 6 seconds while OS loads its NET framework...this is >>not likely, 'cause any 'splash window' would require the .net framework to >>be loaded. >> >>c. what are other people doing to notify the user to hold on tight ... >>'cause we are waiting for the OS to load the .net framework. >> >>d. tell all the users you need to upgrade to 2 gigs of ram ... >> >>e. preload the .net framework during startup / reboot of the computer. >> >>Ideas? >> >>Thanks >> >>Jeff >> >> >>"Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:1158776902.814824.250950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> What is the issue? >>> >>> jeff wrote: >>>> Hi All. >>>> >>>> I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows >>>> needs >>>> to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my >>>> application.... >>>> >>>> Is there anyway to either ... >>>> >>>> - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) >>>> >>>> - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of >>>> message. >>>> >>>> I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple >>>> splash >>>> window ... >>>> >>>> this launcher would >>>> >>>> - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... >>>> - call my application to start ... >>>> - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton >>>> is >>>> open yet ... >>>> - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... >>>> >>>> >>>> Any thoughts / ideas ... >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Jeff. >>> >> > > 1) I use the builtin Splash Screen funtionality in VB2005. It loads and > displays > "before" any other part of the application is initialized. From a cold > boot, the > builtin splash (at least in my cases) displays within a second or two. > This would > not be the case necessarily using a standard form as a Splash Screen > launched from a > SubMain (), for example. > > 2) Use the main form load event only for getting the main form displayed > asap. When > the main form is displayed, the builtin Splash Screen closes and the main > form's > Shown Event is fired. Use the Shown Event to do any furher > initializations. If > that's a lenghty process, you can display some kind of wait/progress form > from the > Shown Event. > > Gene If it were me I would simply explain to the "clients" there machines
are old and therefor it's going to take longer too load an application that is built for Pentium 4 computer. Otherwise use VB6 which was released back in the days of P3's and P2's. Instead of trying to work around the problem....I say solve the problem. Upgrade. If they don't want to upgrade then....it's out of your hands. It's not your fault they are using P2's with 128mb of RAM. Heck you can get Dell's for like 400 bucks these days. Anyway that's my humble opinion. Good luck. Izzy jeff wrote: Show quoteHide quote > that is exactly what i do ... > > for me.. the delay is 1 - 2 seconds from a cold boot / fresh deploy ... on > my development machine and test machines. > > however, my clients ... who have older machines, less ram and so on ... > suffer from the lag of loading the .net framework (some as long as 10 > seconds) ... and they are the ones i care about ...once the framework is > loaded, the application is fast ... > > Thanks > Jeff > > > > "gene kelley" <o***@by.me> wrote in message > news:rd53h2tqikasrc7nqh2u4a40vocpkk905h@4ax.com... > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:15:15 -0700, "jeff" <jhersey at allnorth dottt com> > > wrote: > > > >> > >>the delay before my project starts... the user sits and waits ... > >>sometimes > >>10 seconds ... that is the issue. > >> > >>so, my question / issue is there a way to ... > >> > >>a. preload the net 2 framework ... to avoid this delay. > >> > >>b. have a popup window start before the .net 2 framework loads indicating > >>to > >>the user to wait 5 / 6 seconds while OS loads its NET framework...this is > >>not likely, 'cause any 'splash window' would require the .net framework to > >>be loaded. > >> > >>c. what are other people doing to notify the user to hold on tight ... > >>'cause we are waiting for the OS to load the .net framework. > >> > >>d. tell all the users you need to upgrade to 2 gigs of ram ... > >> > >>e. preload the .net framework during startup / reboot of the computer. > >> > >>Ideas? > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>Jeff > >> > >> > >>"Izzy" <israel.rich***@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:1158776902.814824.250950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >>> What is the issue? > >>> > >>> jeff wrote: > >>>> Hi All. > >>>> > >>>> I realize that when my Deployed winforms application starts, Windows > >>>> needs > >>>> to load the .net 2 framework before control is given to my > >>>> application.... > >>>> > >>>> Is there anyway to either ... > >>>> > >>>> - preload the .net 2 framework (windows startup or whatever) > >>>> > >>>> - splash a screen ... application loading ... please wait ... type of > >>>> message. > >>>> > >>>> I was considering building a 'launcher' program in VB 6 ... a simple > >>>> splash > >>>> window ... > >>>> > >>>> this launcher would > >>>> > >>>> - open a form ... prgraming is starting please be patient... > >>>> - call my application to start ... > >>>> - pole a file every few seconds to check to see if my main applicaiton > >>>> is > >>>> open yet ... > >>>> - once flag in file set ... shutdown form... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Any thoughts / ideas ... > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Jeff. > >>> > >> > > > > 1) I use the builtin Splash Screen funtionality in VB2005. It loads and > > displays > > "before" any other part of the application is initialized. From a cold > > boot, the > > builtin splash (at least in my cases) displays within a second or two. > > This would > > not be the case necessarily using a standard form as a Splash Screen > > launched from a > > SubMain (), for example. > > > > 2) Use the main form load event only for getting the main form displayed > > asap. When > > the main form is displayed, the builtin Splash Screen closes and the main > > form's > > Shown Event is fired. Use the Shown Event to do any furher > > initializations. If > > that's a lenghty process, you can display some kind of wait/progress form > > from the > > Shown Event. > > > > Gene 
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