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Visual Basic to be discontinued in 2008??An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18
months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first place. Anyone else heard about this development? The Master >Anyone else heard about this development? Similar rumors appear every year. It still hasn't happened. What makesyou think C# is a replacement for VB? Mattias -- Mattias Sjögren [C# MVP] mattias @ mvps.org http://www.msjogren.net/dotnet/ | http://www.dotnetinterop.com Please reply only to the newsgroup. > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 Just rumors.> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first > place. Anyone else heard about this development? hahahahaha :-)
oh it wasn`t a joke he was serious :-| I hear these jokes l since the start of .Net 1. VB is obsolete C# is the new kid on the block 2. C# code executes faster as VB code 3. C# is more object oriented 4. C# is faster to code with my thoughts regarding this ( they reflect my personal opinion , before i start a flame war ) 1. Yes,, and pigs can fly for sure 2. uhhhhh were we not all coding against the same framework ? * 3 Yes this seems to be true in some situations however in other situations VB looks more OO to me ( i call it a draw ) 4. Yes for someone with a Java , Delphi , or C background it is , however for someone with a Fortran , Basic, VB , Cobol background it isn`t * * Fact is that VB is an easyer language to learn ( because of it`s phonetic operator style ) so you have more hobbyist coders , and bad coders in the comunity, other fact is that university`s etc etc teach more C , Java , Delphi , C# so you have more professional coders in that corner , this is probably where the speed differences come from if there are anny ( good optimized code or coding against bad code or coding ) Just my thoughts Michel Posseth [MCP] Show quoteHide quote "Josip Medved" wrote: > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first > > place. Anyone else heard about this development? > > Just rumors. > > -- > Pozdrav, > Josip Medved > http://www.jmedved.com > > No, he's just jerking people's chains. It's probably the only thing he *can*
jerk, um, if I use the C# term correctly, != on. Robin S. --------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "M. Posseth" <MPoss***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EFF8171F-86C4-4F3C-ACB9-3981E8942E86@microsoft.com... > hahahahaha :-) > > oh it wasn`t a joke he was serious :-| > > I hear these jokes l since the start of .Net > > 1. VB is obsolete C# is the new kid on the block > 2. C# code executes faster as VB code > 3. C# is more object oriented > 4. C# is faster to code with > > my thoughts regarding this ( they reflect my personal opinion , before i > start a flame war ) > > 1. Yes,, and pigs can fly for sure > 2. uhhhhh were we not all coding against the same framework ? * > 3 Yes this seems to be true in some situations however in other > situations > VB looks more OO to me ( i call it a draw ) > 4. Yes for someone with a Java , Delphi , or C background it is , however > for someone with a Fortran , Basic, VB , Cobol background it isn`t * > > * > Fact is that VB is an easyer language to learn ( because of it`s phonetic > operator style ) so you have more hobbyist coders , and bad coders in the > comunity, other fact is that university`s etc etc teach more C , Java , > Delphi , C# so you have more professional coders in that corner , this is > probably where the speed differences come from if there are anny ( good > optimized code or coding against bad code or coding ) > > > Just my thoughts > > Michel Posseth [MCP] > > > "Josip Medved" wrote: > >> > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and >> > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first >> > place. Anyone else heard about this development? >> >> Just rumors. >> >> -- >> Pozdrav, >> Josip Medved >> http://www.jmedved.com >> >> "Master Programmer" wrote: what (positive things) would MS achieve by this?> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first > place. Anyone else heard about this development? > > The Master Show quoteHide quote > > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions are called Visual Basic .NET. -- Peter Macej Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB ..NET and ASP .NET code Dim Career as String
Private Sub Main() If Language = "VB" then Career = "Over" Exit Sub End if End Sub .................. Peter Macej wrote: Show quoteHide quote > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. > > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions > are called Visual Basic .NET. > > -- > Peter Macej > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB > .NET and ASP .NET code Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ?
Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" wrote: > Dim Career as String > > Private Sub Main() > If Language = "VB" then > Career = "Over" > Exit Sub > End if > End Sub > > .................. > > Peter Macej wrote: > > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > > > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see > > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. > > > > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions > > are called Visual Basic .NET. > > > > -- > > Peter Macej > > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com > > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB > > .NET and ASP .NET code > > > Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ? After taking a look at his recent posts, my guess would be "Yes".It's also interesting that he posted a similar thread in the C++ newgroup saying it would be replaced by C# too. But it seems he is talking about something he doesn't know about; in other posts he says he is planning on learning C# (posted today @4:32 am). Obviously, if he doesn't even know C# he won't know it's strengths/weaknesses compared to vb. I suggest you "master" (pun intended) both languages before saying one is dead and is going to be replaced by the other. :-) But this is a serious issue, especially around new programmers. I have heard quite a few say something like "Why bother learning VB, I heard it's going to be replaced soon. I'm going to learn <insert language name here>" That kind of thought process is probably the only danger to VB. Of course, if all the newbie's go to some other language, that means we'll be highly sought after right? Thanks, Seth Rowe M. Posseth wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ? > > > > > "Master Programmer" wrote: > > > Dim Career as String > > > > Private Sub Main() > > If Language = "VB" then > > Career = "Over" > > Exit Sub > > End if > > End Sub > > > > .................. > > > > Peter Macej wrote: > > > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > > > > > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see > > > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. > > > > > > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions > > > are called Visual Basic .NET. > > > > > > -- > > > Peter Macej > > > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com > > > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB > > > .NET and ASP .NET code > > > > I wont be sory too see it go. VB 6.0 was the greatest thing ever, but
anything .NET sucks hit as far as I am concerned. The Grand Master M. Posseth wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Are you sure you are not actually a flame war starter ? > > > > > "Master Programmer" wrote: > > > Dim Career as String > > > > Private Sub Main() > > If Language = "VB" then > > Career = "Over" > > Exit Sub > > End if > > End Sub > > > > .................. > > > > Peter Macej wrote: > > > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > > > > > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see > > > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. > > > > > > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions > > > are called Visual Basic .NET. > > > > > > -- > > > Peter Macej > > > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com > > > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB > > > .NET and ASP .NET code > > > > The best thing you can do "Master Programmer" is the following:
1. Boot Computer 2. Get to a DOS prompt 3. Enter: Format C: 4. Take computer to bathroom. 5. Fill the tub 6. Throw computer in 7. Go play in the sandbox A successful VB.NET programmer. Have a nice day. Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1164100504.270644.314130@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Dim Career as String > > Private Sub Main() > If Language = "VB" then > Career = "Over" > Exit Sub > End if > End Sub > > ................. > > Peter Macej wrote: >> > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> >> This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see >> http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. >> >> When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions >> are called Visual Basic .NET. >> >> -- >> Peter Macej >> Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com >> VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB >> .NET and ASP .NET code > Hey, he can actually write code that will compile!!!
Mike. Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1164100504.270644.314130@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Dim Career as String > > Private Sub Main() > If Language = "VB" then > Career = "Over" > Exit Sub > End if > End Sub > > ................. > > Peter Macej wrote: > > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > > > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see > > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. > > > > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions > > are called Visual Basic .NET. > > > > -- > > Peter Macej > > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com > > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB > > .NET and ASP .NET code > Well, not really. He didn't define the variable "Language".
Close, though. :-D Robin S. ---------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Michael D. Ober" <ober***@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message news:kAq9h.2460$sf5.1237@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Hey, he can actually write code that will compile!!! > > Mike. > > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > news:1164100504.270644.314130@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> Dim Career as String >> >> Private Sub Main() >> If Language = "VB" then >> Career = "Over" >> Exit Sub >> End if >> End Sub >> >> ................. >> >> Peter Macej wrote: >> > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> > >> > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see >> > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. >> > >> > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current >> > versions >> > are called Visual Basic .NET. >> > >> > -- >> > Peter Macej >> > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com >> > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB >> > .NET and ASP .NET code >> > > > Robin,
I assume he's not using Option Explicit On or Option Strict On. The VB compiler would let his crap through. No "master" programmer would work without these two settings except in very short and well documented source files. Mike. Show quoteHide quote "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message news:SJmdnQbRQayUB_vYnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well, not really. He didn't define the variable "Language". > Close, though. :-D > > Robin S. > ---------------------------- > "Michael D. Ober" <ober***@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message > news:kAq9h.2460$sf5.1237@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Hey, he can actually write code that will compile!!! > > > > Mike. > > > > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > > news:1164100504.270644.314130@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> Dim Career as String > >> > >> Private Sub Main() > >> If Language = "VB" then > >> Career = "Over" > >> Exit Sub > >> End if > >> End Sub > >> > >> ................. > >> > >> Peter Macej wrote: > >> > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > >> > > >> > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see > >> > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. > >> > > >> > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current > >> > versions > >> > are called Visual Basic .NET. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Peter Macej > >> > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com > >> > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB > >> > .NET and ASP .NET code > >> > > > > > > > > > Good point.
Robin S. :-D ------------------------------------------ Show quoteHide quote "Michael D. Ober" <ober***@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message news:A0J9h.2848$ql2.2213@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Robin, > > I assume he's not using Option Explicit On or Option Strict On. The VB > compiler would let his crap through. No "master" programmer would work > without these two settings except in very short and well documented source > files. > > Mike. > > "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message > news:SJmdnQbRQayUB_vYnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> Well, not really. He didn't define the variable "Language". >> Close, though. :-D >> >> Robin S. >> ---------------------------- >> "Michael D. Ober" <ober***@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message >> news:kAq9h.2460$sf5.1237@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> > Hey, he can actually write code that will compile!!! >> > >> > Mike. >> > >> > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message >> > news:1164100504.270644.314130@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> >> Dim Career as String >> >> >> >> Private Sub Main() >> >> If Language = "VB" then >> >> Career = "Over" >> >> Exit Sub >> >> End if >> >> End Sub >> >> >> >> ................. >> >> >> >> Peter Macej wrote: >> >> > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> >> > >> >> > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. >> >> > >> >> > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current >> >> > versions >> >> > are called Visual Basic .NET. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Peter Macej >> >> > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com >> >> > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB >> >> > .NET and ASP .NET code >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > But of course VB6 (under the guise of VS6) is the ***ONLY*** fully supported
development environment under Vista! (yes not even VS2005) guy Show quoteHide quote "Peter Macej" wrote: > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > This is true. But only for old Visual Basic 6, see > http://tinyurl.com/ybjmtm. > > When people say Visual Basic, they mostly mean VB6. The current versions > are called Visual Basic .NET. > > -- > Peter Macej > Helixoft - http://www.helixoft.com > VSdocman - Commenter and generator of class documentation for C#, VB > ..NET and ASP .NET code > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> schrieb: Complete nonsense.> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first > place. Anyone else heard about this development? -- M S Herfried K. Wagner M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/> I come from a long career in Visual FoxPro. I remember 15 years ago
when Microsoft bought out Fox Software. Everyone said that was the end of FoxPro. That was when version 2.0 was current. MS released version 2.6 a year later, a big improvement to the language. Then 3.0 which was fully object oriented came out a year or so later and Gardner Group said "This is the last version of FoxPro". That was about 12-13 years ago. If I remember correctly, Gardner Group announced "This is the end of FoxPro" for versions 5 and 6 as well. Then there were versions 7, 8, 9...... yep surely this is the end of the language. .Net isn't going anywhere. Or perhaps try this:
"An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place." I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my expectations are just too high. NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around laughing uncontrollably. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the > first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > > The Master > I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's
talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) Robin S. ------------------------ Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... > Or perhaps try this: > > "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18 > months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying > that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even > included Windows XP in the first place." > > I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker > "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have > a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an > understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and > at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But > perhaps my expectations are just too high. > > NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around > laughing uncontrollably. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and >> am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the >> first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >> >> The Master >> > > > I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead> talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough > to have a Tivo.) in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats going out of date :-) Thanks, Seth Rowe RobinS wrote: Show quoteHide quote > I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's > talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough > to have a Tivo.) > > Robin S. > ------------------------ > "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... > > Or perhaps try this: > > > > "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18 > > months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying > > that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even > > included Windows XP in the first place." > > > > I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker > > "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have > > a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an > > understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and > > at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But > > perhaps my expectations are just too high. > > > > NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around > > laughing uncontrollably. > > > > ----- > > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > > > >> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > >> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > >> am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the > >> first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > >> > >> The Master > >> > > > > Well, in that case it would have to be either an
HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right? Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those is going to win the format war, it's going to be something completely different that is secretly being worked on even as we speak. Robin S. ------------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1164130793.263651.307830@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's >> talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough >> to have a Tivo.) > > No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead > in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all > know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats > going out of date :-) > > Thanks, > > Seth Rowe > > > RobinS wrote: >> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's >> talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough >> to have a Tivo.) >> >> Robin S. >> ------------------------ >> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... >> > Or perhaps try this: >> > >> > "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within >> > 18 >> > months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying >> > that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even >> > included Windows XP in the first place." >> > >> > I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >> > moniker >> > "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would >> > have >> > a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >> > understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, >> > and >> > at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. >> > But >> > perhaps my expectations are just too high. >> > >> > NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around >> > laughing uncontrollably. >> > >> > ----- >> > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >> > >> >> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> >> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and >> >> am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the >> >> first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >> >> >> >> The Master >> >> >> > >> > > I think I missed part of your conversation. I was busy watching a movie through
my brain implants. *My* friend once mentioned those DVDs you speak of, but I didn't believe him. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > Well, in that case it would have to be either an > HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right? > Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those > is going to win the format war, it's going to > be something completely different that is > secretly being worked on even as we speak. > Robin S. > ------------------------------- > "rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em***@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1164130793.263651.307830@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking >>> about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) >>> >> No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead >> in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all >> know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats >> going out of date :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Seth Rowe >> >> RobinS wrote: >> >>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking >>> about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) >>> >>> Robin S. >>> ------------------------ >>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>>> Or perhaps try this: >>>> >>>> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off >>>> within >>>> 18 >>>> months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is >>>> saying >>>> that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever >>>> even >>>> included Windows XP in the first place." >>>> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >>>> moniker >>>> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" >>>> would >>>> have >>>> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >>>> understanding of how development and marketing work within >>>> Microsoft, >>>> and >>>> at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell >>>> them. >>>> But >>>> perhaps my expectations are just too high. >>>> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling >>>> around laughing uncontrollably. >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >>>>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >>>>> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in >>>>> the first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >>>>> >>>>> The Master >>>>> A-HA!!! You have brain implants!
You're part of the BORG!!!! Robin S. --------------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message news:e3b4697622af8c8db6bb645bf04@newsgroups.comcast.net... >I think I missed part of your conversation. I was busy watching a movie >through my brain implants. *My* friend once mentioned those DVDs you speak >of, but I didn't believe him. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> Well, in that case it would have to be either an >> HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right? >> Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those >> is going to win the format war, it's going to >> be something completely different that is >> secretly being worked on even as we speak. >> Robin S. >> ------------------------------- >> "rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em***@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1164130793.263651.307830@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking >>>> about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) >>>> >>> No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead >>> in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all >>> know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats >>> going out of date :-) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Seth Rowe >>> >>> RobinS wrote: >>> >>>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking >>>> about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) >>>> >>>> Robin S. >>>> ------------------------ >>>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>>>> Or perhaps try this: >>>>> >>>>> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off >>>>> within >>>>> 18 >>>>> months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is >>>>> saying >>>>> that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever >>>>> even >>>>> included Windows XP in the first place." >>>>> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >>>>> moniker >>>>> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" >>>>> would >>>>> have >>>>> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >>>>> understanding of how development and marketing work within >>>>> Microsoft, >>>>> and >>>>> at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell >>>>> them. >>>>> But >>>>> perhaps my expectations are just too high. >>>>> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling >>>>> around laughing uncontrollably. >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>>>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>>>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >>>>>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >>>>>> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in >>>>>> the first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >>>>>> >>>>>> The Master >>>>>> > > Yes! And the collective wants you to buy multiple copies of all of my books.
(Reading them on paper is much better than an implant!) Resistance is futile. ----- Locutus Patrick Show quoteHide quote > A-HA!!! You have brain implants! > You're part of the BORG!!!! > Robin S. > --------------------------------- > "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:e3b4697622af8c8db6bb645bf04@newsgroups.comcast.net... >> I think I missed part of your conversation. I was busy watching a >> movie through my brain implants. *My* friend once mentioned those >> DVDs you speak of, but I didn't believe him. >> >> ----- >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>> Well, in that case it would have to be either an >>> HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right? >>> Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those >>> is going to win the format war, it's going to >>> be something completely different that is >>> secretly being worked on even as we speak. >>> Robin S. >>> ------------------------------- >>> "rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em***@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:1164130793.263651.307830@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>>>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking >>>>> about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) >>>>> >>>> No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be >>>> dead in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And >>>> we all know there's no way he would have anything to do with >>>> something thats going out of date :-) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Seth Rowe >>>> >>>> RobinS wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking >>>>> about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) >>>>> >>>>> Robin S. >>>>> ------------------------ >>>>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>>>>> Or perhaps try this: >>>>>> >>>>>> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off >>>>>> within >>>>>> 18 >>>>>> months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is >>>>>> saying >>>>>> that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever >>>>>> even >>>>>> included Windows XP in the first place." >>>>>> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses >>>>>> the >>>>>> moniker >>>>>> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" >>>>>> would >>>>>> have >>>>>> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >>>>>> understanding of how development and marketing work within >>>>>> Microsoft, >>>>>> and >>>>>> at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell >>>>>> them. >>>>>> But >>>>>> perhaps my expectations are just too high. >>>>>> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling >>>>>> around laughing uncontrollably. >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>>>>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>>>>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >>>>>>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe >>>>>>> it and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS >>>>>>> 2003 in the first place. Anyone else heard about this >>>>>>> development? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Master >>>>>>> Oh, dear, and I only ordered one copy, of which I am eagerly
awaiting delivery, sitting close to the door so as not to miss the mailman's knock. I dare not leave the room for fear he will leave the book on the doorstep and the neighbors will steal it, for its popularity will be legend. I'm hoping for a first edition of course. Maybe I should buy copies for all the members of my local .Net users group. Yeah, that's the ticket. Sit back and plan your next meal at Taco Bell, bucko! Robin S. ------------------------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message news:e3b4697622b58c8db71f0ab3376@newsgroups.comcast.net... > Yes! And the collective wants you to buy multiple copies of all of my > books. (Reading them on paper is much better than an implant!) Resistance > is futile. > > ----- > Locutus Patrick > >> A-HA!!! You have brain implants! >> You're part of the BORG!!!! >> Robin S. >> --------------------------------- >> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:e3b4697622af8c8db6bb645bf04@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>> I think I missed part of your conversation. I was busy watching a >>> movie through my brain implants. *My* friend once mentioned those >>> DVDs you speak of, but I didn't believe him. >>> >>> ----- >>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>> Well, in that case it would have to be either an >>>> HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right? >>>> Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those >>>> is going to win the format war, it's going to >>>> be something completely different that is >>>> secretly being worked on even as we speak. >>>> Robin S. >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> "rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em***@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1164130793.263651.307830@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking >>>>>> about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) >>>>>> >>>>> No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be >>>>> dead in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And >>>>> we all know there's no way he would have anything to do with >>>>> something thats going out of date :-) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Seth Rowe >>>>> >>>>> RobinS wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's talking >>>>>> about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough to have a Tivo.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Robin S. >>>>>> ------------------------ >>>>>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>>>>>> Or perhaps try this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off >>>>>>> within >>>>>>> 18 >>>>>>> months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is >>>>>>> saying >>>>>>> that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> included Windows XP in the first place." >>>>>>> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> moniker >>>>>>> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >>>>>>> understanding of how development and marketing work within >>>>>>> Microsoft, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell >>>>>>> them. >>>>>>> But >>>>>>> perhaps my expectations are just too high. >>>>>>> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling >>>>>>> around laughing uncontrollably. >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>>>>>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>>>>>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >>>>>>>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe >>>>>>>> it and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS >>>>>>>> 2003 in the first place. Anyone else heard about this >>>>>>>> development? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Master >>>>>>>> > > What format war??!
I read that HD and Blu-ray were going to be released on a new tri-format DVD, so that we can all benefit from the technology...! [tri format being the existing format, HD and Blu]. Gimme a few hours and I'll remember where I read that... ________________________________ The Grim Reaper Show quoteHide quote "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message news:T9ydnQBMCba7oP7YnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well, in that case it would have to be either an > HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right? > > Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those > is going to win the format war, it's going to > be something completely different that is > secretly being worked on even as we speak. > > Robin S. > ------------------------------- > "rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em***@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1164130793.263651.307830@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's >>> talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough >>> to have a Tivo.) >> >> No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead >> in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all >> know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats >> going out of date :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Seth Rowe >> >> >> RobinS wrote: >>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's >>> talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough >>> to have a Tivo.) >>> >>> Robin S. >>> ------------------------ >>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>> > Or perhaps try this: >>> > >>> > "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within >>> > 18 >>> > months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is >>> > saying >>> > that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even >>> > included Windows XP in the first place." >>> > >>> > I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >>> > moniker >>> > "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would >>> > have >>> > a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >>> > understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, >>> > and >>> > at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. >>> > But >>> > perhaps my expectations are just too high. >>> > >>> > NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around >>> > laughing uncontrollably. >>> > >>> > ----- >>> > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>> > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>> > >>> >> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >>> >> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >>> >> and >>> >> am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the >>> >> first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >>> >> >>> >> The Master >>> >> >>> > >>> > >> > > I wish! I heard they won't even license
companies to make dual-players. I'm not buying either HD *or* Blu-Ray until someone wins. I'll just give one reason: I just to own a Betamax. Robin S. -------------------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "The Grim Reaper" <grim_rea***@REMOVEbtopenworld.com> wrote in message news:0d6dnRxBbuwB_P7YnZ2dnUVZ8sOdnZ2d@bt.com... > What format war??! > > I read that HD and Blu-ray were going to be released on a new tri-format > DVD, so that we can all benefit from the technology...! > [tri format being the existing format, HD and Blu]. > Gimme a few hours and I'll remember where I read that... > ________________________________ > The Grim Reaper > > "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message > news:T9ydnQBMCba7oP7YnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@comcast.com... >> Well, in that case it would have to be either an >> HD DVD player or a Blu-Ray DVD player, right? >> >> Of course, *my* friend told me neither of those >> is going to win the format war, it's going to >> be something completely different that is >> secretly being worked on even as we speak. >> >> Robin S. >> ------------------------------- >> "rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em***@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1164130793.263651.307830@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's >>>> talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough >>>> to have a Tivo.) >>> >>> No way - it has to be a DVD player, after all won't all VCR's be dead >>> in a few months? (at least thats what my friend told me). And we all >>> know there's no way he would have anything to do with something thats >>> going out of date :-) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Seth Rowe >>> >>> >>> RobinS wrote: >>>> I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's >>>> talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough >>>> to have a Tivo.) >>>> >>>> Robin S. >>>> ------------------------ >>>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>>> > Or perhaps try this: >>>> > >>>> > "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off >>>> > within 18 >>>> > months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is >>>> > saying >>>> > that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever >>>> > even >>>> > included Windows XP in the first place." >>>> > >>>> > I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >>>> > moniker >>>> > "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would >>>> > have >>>> > a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >>>> > understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, >>>> > and >>>> > at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell >>>> > them. But >>>> > perhaps my expectations are just too high. >>>> > >>>> > NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around >>>> > laughing uncontrollably. >>>> > >>>> > ----- >>>> > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>>> > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>> > >>>> >> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >>>> >> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >>>> >> and >>>> >> am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the >>>> >> first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >>>> >> >>>> >> The Master >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>> >> >> > > VCR actually. VB is about to go the way of betamax. Or maybe DVD so
that the video standards can be altered many times over and over again rendering it useless.. The Grand Master RobinS wrote: Show quoteHide quote > I think when he calls himself "Master Programmer", he's > talking about his VCR. (He's probably not advanced enough > to have a Tivo.) > > Robin S. > ------------------------ > "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:e3b4697622768c8db523c635a20@newsgroups.comcast.net... > > Or perhaps try this: > > > > "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18 > > months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying > > that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even > > included Windows XP in the first place." > > > > I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker > > "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have > > a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an > > understanding of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and > > at least some ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But > > perhaps my expectations are just too high. > > > > NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around > > laughing uncontrollably. > > > > ----- > > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > > > >> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > >> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > >> am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the > >> first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > >> > >> The Master > >> > > > > Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its
dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be able to sell any more of those books..... "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but probably very true) The Grand Master Tim Patrick wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Or perhaps try this: > > "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18 > months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying that > Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even included > Windows XP in the first place." > > I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker > "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have > a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an understanding > of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some > ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my expectations > are just too high. > > NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around laughing > uncontrollably. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the > > first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > > > > The Master > > LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be
the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and Tim will write another book! Haha! Robin S. -------------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1164160694.620706.250770@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its > dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be > able to sell any more of those books..... > > "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but > probably very true) > > The Grand Master > > > Tim Patrick wrote: >> Or perhaps try this: >> >> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18 >> months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying >> that >> Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even >> included >> Windows XP in the first place." >> >> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >> moniker >> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would >> have >> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >> understanding >> of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some >> ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my >> expectations >> are just too high. >> >> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around >> laughing >> uncontrollably. >> >> ----- >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >> >> > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and >> > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the >> > first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >> > >> > The Master >> > > Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the outline
for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new chapters on the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins! ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the > finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and > Tim will write another book! Haha! > > Robin S. > -------------------------------- > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > news:1164160694.620706.250770@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its >> dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be >> able to sell any more of those books..... >> >> "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - >> but probably very true) >> >> The Grand Master Well, I'm enjoying your book, so I'm glad to know I'll
have another one to look forward to in the future. But don't forget -- by 2011, PHP will be replaced by something newer and better. I heard a rumor that Microsoft was going to take over PHP and DotNet-i-cize it. I'm sure that'll make some people happy. ;-) Robin S. ----------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message news:e3b46976230e8c8dbb39c407f7a@newsgroups.comcast.net... > Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the > outline for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new > chapters on the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins! > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the >> finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and >> Tim will write another book! Haha! >> >> Robin S. >> -------------------------------- >> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message >> news:1164160694.620706.250770@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >>> Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its >>> dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be >>> able to sell any more of those books..... >>> >>> "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - >>> but probably very true) >>> >>> The Grand Master > > MICROSOFT ROADMAP FOR VB
******************************************* Dim VB As System.Language.Different Public Sub ScrewCustomers() Try ' Try to sell VB.NET to existing VB users Catch ex As Exception ' No-one buys it because its garbage Finaly ' Drop language from VS VB.Dispose() End Try End Sub The Grand Master Tim Patrick wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the outline > for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new chapters on > the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins! > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > > > LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the > > finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and > > Tim will write another book! Haha! > > > > Robin S. > > -------------------------------- > > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > > news:1164160694.620706.250770@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > >> Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its > >> dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be > >> able to sell any more of those books..... > >> > >> "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - > >> but probably very true) > >> > >> The Grand Master That's clever, although I don't agree with you.
Robin S. Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1164273845.728135.85170@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > MICROSOFT ROADMAP FOR VB > ******************************************* > Dim VB As System.Language.Different > > Public Sub ScrewCustomers() > Try > ' Try to sell VB.NET to existing VB users > Catch ex As Exception > ' No-one buys it because its garbage > Finaly > ' Drop language from VS > VB.Dispose() > End Try > End Sub > > The Grand Master > > > > Tim Patrick wrote: >> Are you kidding, Robin? I'm way beyond that. I've already prepared the >> outline >> for _World Domination .NET with Visual Basic 2011_, with new chapters on >> the PHP and Client-Side Scripting plug-ins! >> >> ----- >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >> >> > LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be the >> > finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance it, and >> > Tim will write another book! Haha! >> > >> > Robin S. >> > -------------------------------- >> > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message >> > news:1164160694.620706.250770@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> >> Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its >> >> dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be >> >> able to sell any more of those books..... >> >> >> >> "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - >> >> but probably very true) >> >> >> >> The Grand Master > Yes, Tim can write a book about the new replacement language for VB.
But I think MS may find that will alienate users yet again. As it is, in the programming world no-one takes MS programming languages seriously. The constant changes they make will just make them more of a laughingstock. The Grand Master RobinS wrote: Show quoteHide quote > LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be > the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance > it, and Tim will write another book! Haha! > > Robin S. > -------------------------------- > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > news:1164160694.620706.250770@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its > > dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be > > able to sell any more of those books..... > > > > "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but > > probably very true) > > > > The Grand Master > > > > > > Tim Patrick wrote: > >> Or perhaps try this: > >> > >> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18 > >> months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying > >> that > >> Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even > >> included > >> Windows XP in the first place." > >> > >> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the > >> moniker > >> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would > >> have > >> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an > >> understanding > >> of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some > >> ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my > >> expectations > >> are just too high. > >> > >> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around > >> laughing > >> uncontrollably. > >> > >> ----- > >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> > >> > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > >> > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > >> > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the > >> > first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > >> > > >> > The Master > >> > > > Let's see now, I have been consulting for a few years now with those VB
languages nobody takes seriously, and get paid over $100K a year to do so. The clients take the results seriously, I take their checks seriously, Microsoft pours millions into development. Oh yea, it all must be a joke. Master Programmer must be in la-la land! Go figure. Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1164163397.236601.313970@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Yes, Tim can write a book about the new replacement language for VB. > But I think MS may find that will alienate users yet again. As it is, > in the programming world no-one takes MS programming languages > seriously. The constant changes they make will just make them more of a > laughingstock. > > The Grand Master > > > RobinS wrote: >> LOL! You and that other guy are so funny! Of course it will be >> the finish of VB2005. VB2007 will come out next year to enhance >> it, and Tim will write another book! Haha! >> >> Robin S. >> -------------------------------- >> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message >> news:1164160694.620706.250770@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> > Of course Tim you are bound to be sceptical (or perhaps its >> > dissapointment really). When the language is eliminated you won't be >> > able to sell any more of those books..... >> > >> > "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005" - (ironic naming of you book - but >> > probably very true) >> > >> > The Grand Master >> > >> > >> > Tim Patrick wrote: >> >> Or perhaps try this: >> >> >> >> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within >> >> 18 >> >> months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is >> >> saying >> >> that >> >> Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even >> >> included >> >> Windows XP in the first place." >> >> >> >> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >> >> moniker >> >> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would >> >> have >> >> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >> >> understanding >> >> of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least >> >> some >> >> ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps >> >> my >> >> expectations >> >> are just too high. >> >> >> >> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around >> >> laughing >> >> uncontrollably. >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >> >> >> >> > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> >> > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >> >> > and >> >> > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the >> >> > first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >> >> > >> >> > The Master >> >> > >> > > Well Kids
Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue it.... Tims Quote *************** "Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft did was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make clear to the world that the language itself had changed...." The Grand Master Tim Patrick wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Or perhaps try this: > > "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off within 18 > months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve Ballmer is saying that > Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm surprised they ever even included > Windows XP in the first place." > > I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the moniker > "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would have > a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an understanding > of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least some > ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps my expectations > are just too high. > > NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around laughing > uncontrollably. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the > > first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > > > > The Master > > Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote isn't
from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual Studio Magazine in its January 2005 issue. If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual Basic's single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with .NET, is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step forward" in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article. I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely ignore the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its adherants who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was seen by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for (among other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system he designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic. I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since verison 2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion project for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate applications comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've given me a powerful new tool. One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as long and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString() statements, and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control properties using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the sequence). And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it will be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write computer programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that anyone can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career in the food services business. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > Well Kids > > Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason > not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be > shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue > it.... > > Tims Quote > *************** > "Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft > did > was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make > clear to the world that the language itself had changed...." > The Grand Master > > Tim Patrick wrote: > >> Or perhaps try this: >> >> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off >> within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve >> Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm >> surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place." >> >> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >> moniker >> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would >> have >> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >> understanding >> of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least >> some >> ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps >> my expectations >> are just too high. >> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around >> laughing uncontrollably. >> >> ----- >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >>> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in >>> the first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >>> >>> The Master >>> Unless you write a book about PHP I will never read one of them.
The Grand Master Tim Patrick wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote isn't > from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual Studio > Magazine in its January 2005 issue. > > If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from > the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual Basic's > single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In > the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with .NET, > is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and > power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step forward" > in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article. > > I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic > such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely ignore > the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its adherants > who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was seen > by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the > brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for (among > other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system he > designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly > at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic. > > I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so > long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since verison > 2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and > so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion project > for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate applications > comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the > Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways > to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought > out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in > the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how > Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've > given me a powerful new tool. > > One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I > could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as long > and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString() statements, > and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a > keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control properties > using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the sequence). > And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it will > be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will > buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write computer > programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that anyone > can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career > in the food services business. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > > > Well Kids > > > > Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason > > not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be > > shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue > > it.... > > > > Tims Quote > > *************** > > "Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft > > did > > was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make > > clear to the world that the language itself had changed...." > > The Grand Master > > > > Tim Patrick wrote: > > > >> Or perhaps try this: > >> > >> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off > >> within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve > >> Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm > >> surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place." > >> > >> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the > >> moniker > >> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would > >> have > >> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an > >> understanding > >> of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least > >> some > >> ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps > >> my expectations > >> are just too high. > >> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around > >> laughing uncontrollably. > >> > >> ----- > >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > >>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it > >>> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in > >>> the first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > >>> > >>> The Master > >>> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> schrieb: Well, this is really off-topic here, isn't it?> Unless you write a book about PHP I will never read one of them. -- M S Herfried K. Wagner M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/> Ooooh, there's a threat. One less taco for Tim.
Robin S. ------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1164181105.237955.162960@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Unless you write a book about PHP I will never read one of them. > > The Grand Master > > > Tim Patrick wrote: >> Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote >> isn't >> from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual >> Studio >> Magazine in its January 2005 issue. >> >> If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from >> the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual >> Basic's >> single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In >> the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with >> .NET, >> is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and >> power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step >> forward" >> in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article. >> >> I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic >> such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely >> ignore >> the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its >> adherants >> who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was >> seen >> by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the >> brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for >> (among >> other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system >> he >> designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly >> at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic. >> >> I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so >> long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since >> verison >> 2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and >> so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion >> project >> for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate >> applications >> comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the >> Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways >> to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought >> out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in >> the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how >> Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've >> given me a powerful new tool. >> >> One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I >> could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as >> long >> and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString() >> statements, >> and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a >> keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control >> properties >> using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the >> sequence). >> And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it >> will >> be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will >> buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write >> computer >> programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that >> anyone >> can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career >> in the food services business. >> >> ----- >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >> >> > Well Kids >> > >> > Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason >> > not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be >> > shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue >> > it.... >> > >> > Tims Quote >> > *************** >> > "Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft >> > did >> > was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make >> > clear to the world that the language itself had changed...." >> > The Grand Master >> > >> > Tim Patrick wrote: >> > >> >> Or perhaps try this: >> >> >> >> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off >> >> within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve >> >> Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm >> >> surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place." >> >> >> >> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >> >> moniker >> >> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would >> >> have >> >> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >> >> understanding >> >> of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least >> >> some >> >> ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps >> >> my expectations >> >> are just too high. >> >> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around >> >> laughing uncontrollably. >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >> >>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> >>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >> >>> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in >> >>> the first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >> >>> >> >>> The Master >> >>> > Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping
intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds: Don't. Feed. The trolls. B. You wil be the one crying when vb dissapears from VS. Don't say
knowone told you so. The Grand Master Knowledge is Everything Branco Medeiros wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Even when they speak of well known facts -- struggling IDEs, ghasping > intelisense, verbosity galore and scrolling lines in slow motion (not > to mention that damn immediate window) -- the old adage still holds: > > Don't. > Feed. > The trolls. > > B. In the food industry recipies don't become obsolete overnight because a
publisher prints a new recipe book. You don't have to throw away all of your knives because the blades all of a sudden become rusty overnight. You seem very excited that VB must constantly be discontined and changed without backwards compatibility. But I guess that allows you to sell more books. The Grand Master Tim Patrick wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote isn't > from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual Studio > Magazine in its January 2005 issue. > > If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from > the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual Basic's > single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In > the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with .NET, > is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and > power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step forward" > in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article. > > I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic > such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely ignore > the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its adherants > who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was seen > by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the > brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for (among > other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system he > designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly > at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic. > > I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so > long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since verison > 2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and > so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion project > for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate applications > comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the > Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways > to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought > out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in > the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how > Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've > given me a powerful new tool. > > One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I > could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as long > and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString() statements, > and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a > keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control properties > using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the sequence). > And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it will > be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will > buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write computer > programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that anyone > can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career > in the food services business. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > > > Well Kids > > > > Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason > > not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be > > shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue > > it.... > > > > Tims Quote > > *************** > > "Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft > > did > > was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make > > clear to the world that the language itself had changed...." > > The Grand Master > > > > Tim Patrick wrote: > > > >> Or perhaps try this: > >> > >> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off > >> within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve > >> Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm > >> surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place." > >> > >> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the > >> moniker > >> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would > >> have > >> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an > >> understanding > >> of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least > >> some > >> ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps > >> my expectations > >> are just too high. > >> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around > >> laughing uncontrollably. > >> > >> ----- > >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > >>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it > >>> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in > >>> the first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > >>> > >>> The Master > >>> Ah, but recipes do get improved with new cooking tools, and
knives do get old and dull and have to be replaced with new ones that work better. I think people writing books are trying to help the rest of us figure out how to apply all the information in MSDN; I'm not sure it's the cash cow you're implying. Sure, for Danielle Steele or Nora Roberts who sell millions and millions, it is, but for a tech book that sells thousands? It probably brings in some income, but I doubt it's enough to buy hundreds of shares of Google stock. Have a nice day. Really. Robin S. --------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1164181828.702781.59650@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > In the food industry recipies don't become obsolete overnight because a > publisher prints a new recipe book. You don't have to throw away all of > your knives because the blades all of a sudden become rusty overnight. > You seem very excited that VB must constantly be discontined and > changed without backwards compatibility. But I guess that allows you > to sell more books. > > The Grand Master > > > Tim Patrick wrote: >> Ah, the old "quote his own writing" trick. Nice try. Too bad that quote >> isn't >> from any of my books. It's from an opinion piece I wrote for Visual >> Studio >> Magazine in its January 2005 issue. >> >> If you had taken the time to read the entire article (or even quote from >> the right source), you might have noticed how I was comparing Visual >> Basic's >> single name change to a series of four name changes in the C language. In >> the article, I emphasize how fantastic it is that Visual Basic, with >> .NET, >> is finally an "advanced computer language" that is endowed with "ease and >> power." I stated clearly that the new Visual Basic was "a giant step >> forward" >> in technology. But perhaps you didn't get that far into the article. >> >> I just have to laugh when people say that Microsoft has done Visual Basic >> such a disservice by injecting it with .NET. Such statements completely >> ignore >> the history of computer languages. Every computer language has its >> adherants >> who won't hear of any changes being made. The introduction of C++ was >> seen >> by some C programmers as the end of the programming world. Dick Pick, the >> brains behind the 4GL "PICK" language, was ruthlessly ridiculed for >> (among >> other things) even minor changes introduced into the programming system >> he >> designed. Users of System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX were constantly >> at each other's throats. And don't get me started about WordBasic. >> >> I understand that it is difficult to see a system you have enjoyed for so >> long undergo significant changes. I have been a VB programmer since >> verison >> 2.0; we had a long and enjoyable history. But technology marches on, and >> so must I. I am currently in the midst of a VB6 to VB2005 conversion >> project >> for an enterprise application that contains about 150 separate >> applications >> comprising around 600,000 lines of code. I'm having some issues with the >> Upgrade Wizard that's built into VB2005. But I deal with it. I find ways >> to get the code working. I use other tools when needed. I've even brought >> out AWK, that fantastic text processing language from UNIX, to assist in >> the conversion process. What I don't do is sit around and gripe about how >> Microsoft has given me the shaft. Because frankly, they haven't. They've >> given me a powerful new tool. >> >> One of my favorite new features in .NET is owner-draw list boxes. Sure, I >> could have done that before in VB6, but it would have taken 10 times as >> long >> and a lot more code. Now I just do a few e.Graphics.DrawString() >> statements, >> and I'm done. Piece of cake. Sure, there are a few features I miss. As a >> keyboard-centric person, I really miss the ability to access control >> properties >> using a Control+Shift+letter keyboard sequence (I think that was the >> sequence). >> And I know it will be more difficult for some people to upgrade than it >> will >> be for others. But if a programmer is worth their hourly rate, they will >> buck up and do the work without the hissy fit. Nobody has to write >> computer >> programs. There are hundreds of other jobs available in the world that >> anyone >> can choose from. If someone can't enjoy programming, I recommend a career >> in the food services business. >> >> ----- >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >> >> > Well Kids >> > >> > Here is an passage from Tims book. It highlights the number one reason >> > not to bother learning Visual Basic.NET.... Because you will be >> > shagged by Microsoft when they next change the language or discontinue >> > it.... >> > >> > Tims Quote >> > *************** >> > "Visual Basic didn't get a new name this time around. All Microsoft >> > did >> > was tack .NET onto the end of the name. That change simply didn't make >> > clear to the world that the language itself had changed...." >> > The Grand Master >> > >> > Tim Patrick wrote: >> > >> >> Or perhaps try this: >> >> >> >> "An friend insider (sic) told me that Vista is to be killed off >> >> within 18 months. I guess this makes sence (sic) now that Steve >> >> Ballmer is saying that Linux contains Microsoft technology. I'm >> >> surprised they ever even included Windows XP in the first place." >> >> >> >> I guess that my expectations are pretty high when someone uses the >> >> moniker >> >> "The Master" or "Master Programmer." I expect that "The Master" would >> >> have >> >> a basic understanding of the history of programming languages, an >> >> understanding >> >> of how development and marketing work within Microsoft, and at least >> >> some >> >> ability to judge what their "friend insiders" tell them. But perhaps >> >> my expectations >> >> are just too high. >> >> NOTE: This post was written from the floor where I am rolling around >> >> laughing uncontrollably. >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >> >>> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> >>> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >> >>> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in >> >>> the first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >> >>> >> >>> The Master >> >>> > Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029 card
punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window in the computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20 minutes, my listing will be put in the output bin. Who knew this is the wave of the future? Show quoteHide quote :-) "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1164088789.241615.232300@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first > place. Anyone else heard about this development? > > The Master > Punch cards are passe. It's so much easier (and convenient!) to toggle your
program directly into the front panel of the mainframe. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029 > card punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window > in the computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20 > minutes, my listing will be put in the output bin. > > Who knew this is the wave of the future? > > :-) > > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > news:1164088789.241615.232300@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 >> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it >> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the >> first place. Anyone else heard about this development? >> >> The Master >> Actually, I heard that C# will be discontinued since all the people who like
typing "!=" instead of "not" and like looking at all the {{{{{{{ }}}}}}} running together are being fitted with straight jackets and locked up to protect society! -- Show quoteHide quoteDennis in Houston "Tim Patrick" wrote: > Punch cards are passe. It's so much easier (and convenient!) to toggle your > program directly into the front panel of the mainframe. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > > > Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029 > > card punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window > > in the computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20 > > minutes, my listing will be put in the output bin. > > > > Who knew this is the wave of the future? > > > > :-) > > > > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > > news:1164088789.241615.232300@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > >> An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > >> months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it > >> and am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the > >> first place. Anyone else heard about this development? > >> > >> The Master > >> > > > Hey Henry
Don't bother with the punch cards. You can use XML instead - WOW ! XML is an exciting "text file" that replaced equaly useful csv's to store data. XML allows you to store data in ways that you could do before, but in a different way. Computing is becoming pathetic. The Grand Master Henry Jones wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Now that VB is going away, I am going to dust off my trusty IBM 029 card > punch, enter all my code onto the cards, take them to the window in the > computer room, have the operator run them through and in 20 minutes, my > listing will be put in the output bin. > > Who knew this is the wave of the future? > > :-) > > > > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > news:1164088789.241615.232300@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > An friend insider told me that VB is to be killled off within 18 > > months. I guess this makes sence now that C# is here. I believe it and > > am actualy surprised they ever even included it in VS 2003 in the first > > place. Anyone else heard about this development? > > > > The Master > > 
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