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Author
22 Nov 2006 4:46 PM
Tony Van
I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
Microsoft.  Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
and unproductive.

I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
losing important stuff.

Author
22 Nov 2006 5:08 PM
Marina Levit [MVP]
I don't work with crystal reports, but I have not experienced anything like
these.  That's not to say that the IDE doesn't have some bugs, but they're
not things that really get in the way of getting things done for me. 99% of
the time everything is just fine.

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"Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
> program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
> lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
> Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
> stuff.
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 5:13 PM
Robinson
VB.NET is VERY stable.  Code I write with .NET if typically an order of
magnitude more stable than C++ but that is probably because I have less
opportunity to screw up with .NET.  It's extremely helpful, especially the
IDE.

Now, I have had consistent crashes with the IDE and my main form, when
editing one of the menus.  I managed to fix it by twiddling around with the
resource file for the form.  Something got borked there at some point I
think.

With stability, there is the IDE, there is Crystal Reports and there is the
CLR.  I vote the latter to be top quality, the former I'm still undecided
on.


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"Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
> program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
> lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
> Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
> stuff.
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 5:41 PM
David Anton
So you get consistent crashes and you call it very stable?  I'd hate to see
what you call unstable.  The forms designer problems alone are enough to
doubt the stability of VS 2005.

I like the features of VS 2005, and hopefully Microsoft will fix the problem
of sometimes having to wait a minute or two when making a trivial code change
in a large project (I was on one that was 80,000 lines of code and it was
very frustrating).  The performance on small projects is very acceptable
though, although the designer issues and random forms corruptions are
annoying.
--
David Anton
www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com
Instant C#: VB to C# converter
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"Robinson" wrote:

> VB.NET is VERY stable.  Code I write with .NET if typically an order of
> magnitude more stable than C++ but that is probably because I have less
> opportunity to screw up with .NET.  It's extremely helpful, especially the
> IDE.
>
> Now, I have had consistent crashes with the IDE and my main form, when
> editing one of the menus.  I managed to fix it by twiddling around with the
> resource file for the form.  Something got borked there at some point I
> think.
>
> With stability, there is the IDE, there is Crystal Reports and there is the
> CLR.  I vote the latter to be top quality, the former I'm still undecided
> on.
>
>
> "Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
> >
> > It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
> > program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
> > lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
> > Very time consuming and unproductive.
> >
> > I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
> > stuff.
> >
>
>
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 11:31 PM
Robinson
"David Anton" <DavidAn***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:07147A5E-DF26-4FD3-892B-3BC3195F238D@microsoft.com...
> So you get consistent crashes and you call it very stable?  I'd hate to
> see
> what you call unstable.  The forms designer problems alone are enough to
> doubt the stability of VS 2005.

If you re-read my post (it was written in English), I said the projects I
work on that run under the CLR are very stable but that I have had problems
with the IDE.
Author
22 Nov 2006 5:19 PM
David Anton
VS 2005 is especially sluggish on large projects.  There now much more going
on behind the scenes on every single code change you make.  The SP should fix
it, but it's in beta right now, so you probably want to wait.
--
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www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com
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"Tony Van" wrote:

> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
> code.
>
> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
> Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
> Microsoft.  Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
> sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
> and unproductive.
>
> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
> losing important stuff.
>
>
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 5:26 PM
Robert Dufour
Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by the
form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The problem
above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
The configuration file XML format has changed between 2003 and 2005, which
is a pain, although I found that you can use the old appsettings - add key
tags in 2005 as it was in 2005. You can not save your application change
application scope settings, you can more easily change user scope settings.
They 'improved' the control over the application by being able to easily add
applicationsettings, but its difficut to debug the most important of all,
the unhandledexception event.
Nonetheless I use it for development because I don't want to be using a
product that is near the end of its support lifecycle, hoping that the
inevitable service packs will resolve the reliability problems.
What I do like is the easier deployment if you write everything in managed
code and getting away from dll hell.
Also, if you use third party components, make sure to test every single one
of them before you commit. I was using a third party telephony component
with Vs2005 VB.NET that I ad been using for years in VB6 and found that one
of the most important ones in VB net 2005 could not be added to a form and
that the next release is not yet scheduled. So I'm up the proverbial creek
without a paddle and learned not to assume that because the advertising said
it was compatible, it ain't necessarely so. Unfortunately its buyer beware!

Bob


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"Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
> program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
> lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
> Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
> stuff.
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 5:45 PM
Robert Dufour
Just as I finished this I opened a project, and just changed some settings
in the app.config file appsettings section. VS2005 stopped responding
immediately as I hit the save all button. I had o close the app with the
task manager. Then when I reopened it, it stopped responding as soon as it
loaded the app.config file and stayed stuck with Saving autorecovery
information in the status bar.
Yeah its reliable all right, reliably unreliable.

Bob


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"Robert Dufour" <bduf***@sgiims.com> wrote in message
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> Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
> doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
> found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
> code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
> recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
> frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by
> the form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
> I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
> In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The
> problem above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
> The configuration file XML format has changed between 2003 and 2005, which
> is a pain, although I found that you can use the old appsettings - add key
> tags in 2005 as it was in 2005. You can not save your application change
> application scope settings, you can more easily change user scope
> settings.
> They 'improved' the control over the application by being able to easily
> add applicationsettings, but its difficut to debug the most important of
> all, the unhandledexception event.
> Nonetheless I use it for development because I don't want to be using a
> product that is near the end of its support lifecycle, hoping that the
> inevitable service packs will resolve the reliability problems.
> What I do like is the easier deployment if you write everything in managed
> code and getting away from dll hell.
> Also, if you use third party components, make sure to test every single
> one of them before you commit. I was using a third party telephony
> component with Vs2005 VB.NET that I ad been using for years in VB6 and
> found that one of the most important ones in VB net 2005 could not be
> added to a form and that the next release is not yet scheduled. So I'm up
> the proverbial creek without a paddle and learned not to assume that
> because the advertising said it was compatible, it ain't necessarely so.
> Unfortunately its buyer beware!
>
> Bob
>
>
> "Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>>
>> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
>> program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
>> lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
>> finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>>
>> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
>> stuff.
>>
>
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 6:13 PM
Tim Patrick
Visual Basic 2005 itself is quite stable. It's just a compiler, after all,
and compiler theory has been pretty stable for decades. And since compilers
don't directly interact with the human element, writing them is a little
easier than writing other programs.

Visual Studio, on the other hand, does have some issues, as other posters
have alluded to. I have had repeated problems with graphic resources that
seemed to have no solution other than deleting and re-adding. Lock-ups do
occur sometimes. But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively complex
application. I wish the service packs would come out on a more regular basis,
but even without them, there are workarounds for most of the issues that
come up. If you want to keep up on the latest bugs, issues, and fixes, try
this web site.

http://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/default.aspx?SiteID=210

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

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> Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
> doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
> found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
> code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
> recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
> frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by
the
> form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
> I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
> In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The problem
> above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.

> Bob
>
> "Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>>
>> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
>> the program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes
>> I've lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
>> finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>>
>> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
>> important stuff.
>>
Author
23 Nov 2006 12:06 AM
Bob Lehmann
>>> But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively complex
application.

Passenger jets are massively complex. How would you feel if their
reliability had only 1% of Visual Studio's problems, and had to wait years
for patches?

Bob Lehmann

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"Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Visual Basic 2005 itself is quite stable. It's just a compiler, after all,
> and compiler theory has been pretty stable for decades. And since
compilers
> don't directly interact with the human element, writing them is a little
> easier than writing other programs.
>
> Visual Studio, on the other hand, does have some issues, as other posters
> have alluded to. I have had repeated problems with graphic resources that
> seemed to have no solution other than deleting and re-adding. Lock-ups do
> occur sometimes. But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively
complex
> application. I wish the service packs would come out on a more regular
basis,
> but even without them, there are workarounds for most of the issues that
> come up. If you want to keep up on the latest bugs, issues, and fixes, try
> this web site.
>
> http://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/default.aspx?SiteID=210
>
> -----
> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>
> > Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
> > doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
> > found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
> > code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week
to
> > recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured
most
> > frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by
> the
> > form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
> > I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
> > In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The
problem
> > above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
>
> > Bob
> >
> > "Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> >> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
> >>
> >> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
> >> the program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes
> >> I've lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
> >> finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
> >>
> >> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
> >> important stuff.
> >>
>
>
Author
23 Nov 2006 6:07 AM
Cor Ligthert [MVP]
Bob,

Depends, if that trouble is in the bomber area I would not have any problem.

In my idea is nobody writting what part of Visual Studio is used, while it
is in fact a toolbox with a lot of tools already in it.

There is done if all tools have troubles.

Just my thought reading this thread

Cor

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"Bob Lehmann" <nospam@dontbotherme.zzz> schreef in bericht
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>>>> But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively complex
> application.
>
> Passenger jets are massively complex. How would you feel if their
> reliability had only 1% of Visual Studio's problems, and had to wait years
> for patches?
>
> Bob Lehmann
>
> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:e3b4697623d58c8dc35f4b860fa@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> Visual Basic 2005 itself is quite stable. It's just a compiler, after
>> all,
>> and compiler theory has been pretty stable for decades. And since
> compilers
>> don't directly interact with the human element, writing them is a little
>> easier than writing other programs.
>>
>> Visual Studio, on the other hand, does have some issues, as other posters
>> have alluded to. I have had repeated problems with graphic resources that
>> seemed to have no solution other than deleting and re-adding. Lock-ups do
>> occur sometimes. But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively
> complex
>> application. I wish the service packs would come out on a more regular
> basis,
>> but even without them, there are workarounds for most of the issues that
>> come up. If you want to keep up on the latest bugs, issues, and fixes,
>> try
>> this web site.
>>
>> http://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/default.aspx?SiteID=210
>>
>> -----
>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>
>> > Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
>> > doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and
>> > thereafter
>> > found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access
>> > the
>> > code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week
> to
>> > recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured
> most
>> > frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used
>> > by
>> the
>> > form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
>> > I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
>> > In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The
> problem
>> > above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
>>
>> > Bob
>> >
>> > "Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> >> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>> >>
>> >> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
>> >> the program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes
>> >> I've lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
>> >> finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>> >>
>> >> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
>> >> important stuff.
>> >>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
23 Nov 2006 6:21 AM
Cor Ligthert [MVP]
Text change
>There is done if all tools have troubles.

In my idea most persons are writting if all parts of Visual Studio have
troubles

Cor

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"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> schreef in bericht
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> Bob,
>
> Depends, if that trouble is in the bomber area I would not have any
> problem.
>
> In my idea is nobody writting what part of Visual Studio is used, while it
> is in fact a toolbox with a lot of tools already in it.
>
> There is done if all tools have troubles.
>
> Just my thought reading this thread
>
> Cor
>
> "Bob Lehmann" <nospam@dontbotherme.zzz> schreef in bericht
> news:%23iRcQMpDHHA.572@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively complex
>> application.
>>
>> Passenger jets are massively complex. How would you feel if their
>> reliability had only 1% of Visual Studio's problems, and had to wait
>> years
>> for patches?
>>
>> Bob Lehmann
>>
>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:e3b4697623d58c8dc35f4b860fa@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>>> Visual Basic 2005 itself is quite stable. It's just a compiler, after
>>> all,
>>> and compiler theory has been pretty stable for decades. And since
>> compilers
>>> don't directly interact with the human element, writing them is a little
>>> easier than writing other programs.
>>>
>>> Visual Studio, on the other hand, does have some issues, as other
>>> posters
>>> have alluded to. I have had repeated problems with graphic resources
>>> that
>>> seemed to have no solution other than deleting and re-adding. Lock-ups
>>> do
>>> occur sometimes. But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively
>> complex
>>> application. I wish the service packs would come out on a more regular
>> basis,
>>> but even without them, there are workarounds for most of the issues that
>>> come up. If you want to keep up on the latest bugs, issues, and fixes,
>>> try
>>> this web site.
>>>
>>> http://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/default.aspx?SiteID=210
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>>
>>> > Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I
>>> > was
>>> > doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and
>>> > thereafter
>>> > found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access
>>> > the
>>> > code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week
>> to
>>> > recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured
>> most
>>> > frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used
>>> > by
>>> the
>>> > form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
>>> > I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
>>> > In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The
>> problem
>>> > above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
>>>
>>> > Bob
>>> >
>>> > "Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> >
>>> >> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>>> >>
>>> >> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
>>> >> the program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes
>>> >> I've lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
>>> >> finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
>>> >> important stuff.
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 11:37 PM
Larry Linson
yeah microsoft screwed all of us VB developers.. they just don't take
it seriously.. just so that they could attract some java developers
with the whole gosling move

-Larry


Robert Dufour wrote:
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> Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
> doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
> found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
> code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
> recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
> frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by the
> form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
> I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
> In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The problem
> above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
> The configuration file XML format has changed between 2003 and 2005, which
> is a pain, although I found that you can use the old appsettings - add key
> tags in 2005 as it was in 2005. You can not save your application change
> application scope settings, you can more easily change user scope settings.
> They 'improved' the control over the application by being able to easily add
> applicationsettings, but its difficut to debug the most important of all,
> the unhandledexception event.
> Nonetheless I use it for development because I don't want to be using a
> product that is near the end of its support lifecycle, hoping that the
> inevitable service packs will resolve the reliability problems.
> What I do like is the easier deployment if you write everything in managed
> code and getting away from dll hell.
> Also, if you use third party components, make sure to test every single one
> of them before you commit. I was using a third party telephony component
> with Vs2005 VB.NET that I ad been using for years in VB6 and found that one
> of the most important ones in VB net 2005 could not be added to a form and
> that the next release is not yet scheduled. So I'm up the proverbial creek
> without a paddle and learned not to assume that because the advertising said
> it was compatible, it ain't necessarely so. Unfortunately its buyer beware!
>
> Bob
>
>
> "Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
> >
> > It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
> > program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
> > lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
> > Very time consuming and unproductive.
> >
> > I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
> > stuff.
> >
Author
23 Nov 2006 8:09 AM
Master Programmer
VB 6.0 is the undisputed GOD of programming software. Do your self a
favour and give anything that ends in ".NET" a wide berth, every
version of this garbage continues to get worse.

If you feel you need to move away from VB 6.0 (not a nice thought I
know), then you could consider Delphi - a more stable product than any
MS offerings.

Hope this helps
The Grand Master


Robert Dufour wrote:
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> Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
> doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
> found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
> code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
> recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
> frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by the
> form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
> I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
> In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The problem
> above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
> The configuration file XML format has changed between 2003 and 2005, which
> is a pain, although I found that you can use the old appsettings - add key
> tags in 2005 as it was in 2005. You can not save your application change
> application scope settings, you can more easily change user scope settings.
> They 'improved' the control over the application by being able to easily add
> applicationsettings, but its difficut to debug the most important of all,
> the unhandledexception event.
> Nonetheless I use it for development because I don't want to be using a
> product that is near the end of its support lifecycle, hoping that the
> inevitable service packs will resolve the reliability problems.
> What I do like is the easier deployment if you write everything in managed
> code and getting away from dll hell.
> Also, if you use third party components, make sure to test every single one
> of them before you commit. I was using a third party telephony component
> with Vs2005 VB.NET that I ad been using for years in VB6 and found that one
> of the most important ones in VB net 2005 could not be added to a form and
> that the next release is not yet scheduled. So I'm up the proverbial creek
> without a paddle and learned not to assume that because the advertising said
> it was compatible, it ain't necessarely so. Unfortunately its buyer beware!
>
> Bob
>
>
> "Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
> >
> > It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
> > program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
> > lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
> > Very time consuming and unproductive.
> >
> > I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
> > stuff.
> >
Author
22 Nov 2006 5:40 PM
RobinS
What about when you're *not* using Crystal Reports?
Does it work okay then? I'm not using CR, and haven't
had any problems with VisualStudio2005.

Robin S.
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"Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
> program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
> lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
> Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
> stuff.
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 5:57 PM
Ken Tucker [MVP]
Hi,

        Yes the VB 2005 compilier has some issues.  Service pack 1 for vb
should be out by the first of the year.  You can download the hotfix for the
vb compilier here if you need it.
https://connect.microsoft.com/downloads/downloaddetails.aspx?DownloadID=3989&wa=wsignin1.0&siteid=210

Ken
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"Tony Van" wrote:

> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
> code.
>
> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
> Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
> Microsoft.  Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
> sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
> and unproductive.
>
> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
> losing important stuff.
>
>
>
Author
22 Nov 2006 6:06 PM
rowe_newsgroups
Ken, I get a "Page not found" when following the link you provided
(after signing-in of course)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe


Ken Tucker [ MVP ] wrote:
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> Hi,
>
>         Yes the VB 2005 compilier has some issues.  Service pack 1 for vb
> should be out by the first of the year.  You can download the hotfix for the
> vb compilier here if you need it.
>
> https://connect.microsoft.com/downloads/downloaddetails.aspx?DownloadID=3989&wa=wsignin1.0&siteid=210
>
> Ken
> ----------------------------------
>
> "Tony Van" wrote:
>
> > I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
> > code.
> >
> > It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
> > Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
> > Microsoft.  Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
> > sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
> > and unproductive.
> >
> > I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
> > losing important stuff.
> >
> >
> >
Author
22 Nov 2006 6:46 PM
Ken Tucker [MVP]
Hi,

         Sorry about that.  Try going to the DevDiv Hotfix Public
Availability Pilot Program page and download the fix for KB920805

http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/content/content.aspx?ContentID=3705

Ken
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"rowe_newsgroups" wrote:

> Ken, I get a "Page not found" when following the link you provided
> (after signing-in of course)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Seth Rowe
>
>
> Ken Tucker [ MVP ] wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >         Yes the VB 2005 compilier has some issues.  Service pack 1 for vb
> > should be out by the first of the year.  You can download the hotfix for the
> > vb compilier here if you need it.
> >
> > https://connect.microsoft.com/downloads/downloaddetails.aspx?DownloadID=3989&wa=wsignin1.0&siteid=210
> >
> > Ken
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> > "Tony Van" wrote:
> >
> > > I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
> > > code.
> > >
> > > It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
> > > Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
> > > Microsoft.  Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
> > > sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
> > > and unproductive.
> > >
> > > I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
> > > losing important stuff.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
Author
27 Nov 2006 4:59 PM
Larry Linson
I _WISH_ i found a 'page not found' at microsoft.com


rowe_newsgroups wrote:
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> Ken, I get a "Page not found" when following the link you provided
> (after signing-in of course)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Seth Rowe
>
>
> Ken Tucker [ MVP ] wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >         Yes the VB 2005 compilier has some issues.  Service pack 1 for vb
> > should be out by the first of the year.  You can download the hotfix for the
> > vb compilier here if you need it.
> >
> > https://connect.microsoft.com/downloads/downloaddetails.aspx?DownloadID=3989&wa=wsignin1.0&siteid=210
> >
> > Ken
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> > "Tony Van" wrote:
> >
> > > I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
> > > code.
> > >
> > > It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
> > > Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
> > > Microsoft.  Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
> > > sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
> > > and unproductive.
> > >
> > > I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
> > > losing important stuff.
> > >
> > >
> > >
Author
22 Nov 2006 6:02 PM
Michael D. Ober
After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get.  I suspect
you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash.  This article will
probably say there is a Hotfix available.  Call PSS for Visual Studio and
give them the TechNet article id.  I had a similar problem with VB 2005 and
had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.

Mike Ober.

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"Tony Van" <ton-jud-***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
> It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
> program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft.  Sometimes I've
> lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
> Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
> I am alone in this?  I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
> stuff.
>