> well... i'll make you a deal buddy
>
> when microsoft does this:
>
> a) microsoft.com/vb should GO SOMEWHERE
> b) NO vs crashes in a month for me
> c) _EVERY_SINGLE_PROGRAMMING_EXAMPLE_ is in both C# and VB.net
> d) vb newsgroup should be public.microsoft.vb.. not this
> 'microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb' crap
> e) it isn't verbose like 2002,2003,2005
> f) i can copy and paste datasets in SSRS in between reports
> g) they support vb6
> h) they support developing new COM components
> i) they support existing ActiveX controls
> if all those come true; I might lay off...
>
> but until then; their backwards ass crap; i've just about had enough
> of it
>
> Tim Patrick wrote:
>
>> So when the next version of Visual Studio comes out and includes
>> Visual Basic--and
>> it will, since I've already tried out an early version of it--will
>> you promise
>> to leave these forums with the shame of a false prophet and never
>> post again?
>> One can only hope.

> Except for item #d (which is just a side effect of your overall bad feeling),
> I fully understand your frustration. (By the way, "microsoft.com/vbasic"
> does go to the Visual Basic page; I agree that "microsoft.com/vb" should
> as well.)
>
> Concerning items #g through #i: I can tell you how to become rich beyond
> your wildest dreams. Start a company that fully supports those who wish to
> continue with VB6. Make a name for yourself, and then approach Microsoft
> about licensing the VB6 product and its source code for support and enhancement
> purposes. Everyone always says Microsoft only cares about money; go ahead
> and prove it. Convince them that it is in their financial best interest to
> allow your new company to extend Visual Basic Classic.
>
> You can draw a lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. Using
> the keyboard to constantly browbeat another product that, frankly, a lot
> of people actually like to use is insanity. These forums have no influence
> on Microsoft's business decisions. But a well-crafted business plan just
> might.
>
> -----
> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>
> > well... i'll make you a deal buddy
> >
> > when microsoft does this:
> >
> > a) microsoft.com/vb should GO SOMEWHERE
> > b) NO vs crashes in a month for me
> > c) _EVERY_SINGLE_PROGRAMMING_EXAMPLE_ is in both C# and VB.net
> > d) vb newsgroup should be public.microsoft.vb.. not this
> > 'microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb' crap
> > e) it isn't verbose like 2002,2003,2005
> > f) i can copy and paste datasets in SSRS in between reports
> > g) they support vb6
> > h) they support developing new COM components
> > i) they support existing ActiveX controls
> > if all those come true; I might lay off...
> >
> > but until then; their backwards ass crap; i've just about had enough
> > of it
> >
> > Tim Patrick wrote:
> >
> >> So when the next version of Visual Studio comes out and includes
> >> Visual Basic--and
> >> it will, since I've already tried out an early version of it--will
> >> you promise
> >> to leave these forums with the shame of a false prophet and never
> >> post again?
> >> One can only hope.

> people like to use VB.net?
>
> ROFL
>
> what universe do you come from?
>
> show me some stats.. and I'll show you some stats that say '90% of vb
> developers still use VB6'
>
> I would notify the folks at Monster.com and craigslist.org/job because
> I sure don't see many VB.net _JOBS_
>
> -Larry
>
> Tim Patrick wrote:
>
>> Except for item #d (which is just a side effect of your overall bad
>> feeling),
>> I fully understand your frustration. (By the way,
>> "microsoft.com/vbasic"
>> does go to the Visual Basic page; I agree that "microsoft.com/vb"
>> should
>> as well.)
>> Concerning items #g through #i: I can tell you how to become rich
>> beyond
>> your wildest dreams. Start a company that fully supports those who
>> wish to
>> continue with VB6. Make a name for yourself, and then approach
>> Microsoft
>> about licensing the VB6 product and its source code for support and
>> enhancement
>> purposes. Everyone always says Microsoft only cares about money; go
>> ahead
>> and prove it. Convince them that it is in their financial best
>> interest to
>> allow your new company to extend Visual Basic Classic.
>> You can draw a lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.
>> Using the keyboard to constantly browbeat another product that,
>> frankly, a lot of people actually like to use is insanity. These
>> forums have no influence on Microsoft's business decisions. But a
>> well-crafted business plan just might.
>>
>> -----
>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>> well... i'll make you a deal buddy
>>>
>>> when microsoft does this:
>>>
>>> a) microsoft.com/vb should GO SOMEWHERE
>>> b) NO vs crashes in a month for me
>>> c) _EVERY_SINGLE_PROGRAMMING_EXAMPLE_ is in both C# and VB.net
>>> d) vb newsgroup should be public.microsoft.vb.. not this
>>> 'microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb' crap
>>> e) it isn't verbose like 2002,2003,2005
>>> f) i can copy and paste datasets in SSRS in between reports
>>> g) they support vb6
>>> h) they support developing new COM components
>>> i) they support existing ActiveX controls
>>> if all those come true; I might lay off...
>>> but until then; their backwards ass crap; i've just about had enough
>>> of it
>>>
>>> Tim Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>>> So when the next version of Visual Studio comes out and includes
>>>> Visual Basic--and
>>>> it will, since I've already tried out an early version of it--will
>>>> you promise
>>>> to leave these forums with the shame of a false prophet and never
>>>> post again?
>>>> One can only hope.

> But I like VB.NET, and I know others who do as well. I've attended conferences
> with hundreds of people who are as excited about it as I am.
>
> Your 90% statistic seems high, but I wouldn't doubt that well over 50% of
> VB programmers still use VB6 or VBA. And it's that VBA component that is
> the key. Many who use VB don't "really" use VB at all. They use VBA, because
> they are not really interested in programming. They are interested in automating
> Office and other applications that house VBA. They are essentially business
> users who need enhanced macro capabilities.
>
> Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with Microsoft keeping VBA around as
> a macro tool. When they switched from WordBasic to VBA, it was quite an ordeal.
> But keeping VBA and promoting VB.NET are two different things.
>
> Like I said, if you (or anyone) were truly serious about the benefits of
> VB6 or VBA, you would do something about it from a business activity perspective.
> Anyone can gripe and moan and mock. Doing something positive about the situation
> would be something I could respect.
>
> Tell you what: If you agree to stop the bellyaching and instead come up with
> a serious business plan that engages the future of VB6/VBA, and dialog with
> Microsoft about it in a professional manner, I would be open to writing something
> (i.e., books or articles) for an enhanced Classic VB product. Other authors
> would do so as well. If you have a professional product with a viable future,
> then you will be able to post in the forums something that others will actually
> want to read.
>
> -----
> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>
> > people like to use VB.net?
> >
> > ROFL
> >
> > what universe do you come from?
> >
> > show me some stats.. and I'll show you some stats that say '90% of vb
> > developers still use VB6'
> >
> > I would notify the folks at Monster.com and craigslist.org/job because
> > I sure don't see many VB.net _JOBS_
> >
> > -Larry
> >
> > Tim Patrick wrote:
> >
> >> Except for item #d (which is just a side effect of your overall bad
> >> feeling),
> >> I fully understand your frustration. (By the way,
> >> "microsoft.com/vbasic"
> >> does go to the Visual Basic page; I agree that "microsoft.com/vb"
> >> should
> >> as well.)
> >> Concerning items #g through #i: I can tell you how to become rich
> >> beyond
> >> your wildest dreams. Start a company that fully supports those who
> >> wish to
> >> continue with VB6. Make a name for yourself, and then approach
> >> Microsoft
> >> about licensing the VB6 product and its source code for support and
> >> enhancement
> >> purposes. Everyone always says Microsoft only cares about money; go
> >> ahead
> >> and prove it. Convince them that it is in their financial best
> >> interest to
> >> allow your new company to extend Visual Basic Classic.
> >> You can draw a lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.
> >> Using the keyboard to constantly browbeat another product that,
> >> frankly, a lot of people actually like to use is insanity. These
> >> forums have no influence on Microsoft's business decisions. But a
> >> well-crafted business plan just might.
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
> >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
> >>> well... i'll make you a deal buddy
> >>>
> >>> when microsoft does this:
> >>>
> >>> a) microsoft.com/vb should GO SOMEWHERE
> >>> b) NO vs crashes in a month for me
> >>> c) _EVERY_SINGLE_PROGRAMMING_EXAMPLE_ is in both C# and VB.net
> >>> d) vb newsgroup should be public.microsoft.vb.. not this
> >>> 'microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb' crap
> >>> e) it isn't verbose like 2002,2003,2005
> >>> f) i can copy and paste datasets in SSRS in between reports
> >>> g) they support vb6
> >>> h) they support developing new COM components
> >>> i) they support existing ActiveX controls
> >>> if all those come true; I might lay off...
> >>> but until then; their backwards ass crap; i've just about had enough
> >>> of it
> >>>
> >>> Tim Patrick wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So when the next version of Visual Studio comes out and includes
> >>>> Visual Basic--and
> >>>> it will, since I've already tried out an early version of it--will
> >>>> you promise
> >>>> to leave these forums with the shame of a false prophet and never
> >>>> post again?
> >>>> One can only hope.

"Larry Linson" <larrylinso***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164649903.286926.246400@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> people like to use VB.net?
>
> ROFL
>
> what universe do you come from?
>
> show me some stats.. and I'll show you some stats that say '90% of vb
> developers still use VB6'
>
> I would notify the folks at Monster.com and craigslist.org/job because
> I sure don't see many VB.net _JOBS_
>
> -Larry
>
>
> Tim Patrick wrote:
>> Except for item #d (which is just a side effect of your overall bad
>> feeling),
>> I fully understand your frustration. (By the way, "microsoft.com/vbasic"
>> does go to the Visual Basic page; I agree that "microsoft.com/vb" should
>> as well.)
>>
>> Concerning items #g through #i: I can tell you how to become rich beyond
>> your wildest dreams. Start a company that fully supports those who wish
>> to
>> continue with VB6. Make a name for yourself, and then approach Microsoft
>> about licensing the VB6 product and its source code for support and
>> enhancement
>> purposes. Everyone always says Microsoft only cares about money; go ahead
>> and prove it. Convince them that it is in their financial best interest
>> to
>> allow your new company to extend Visual Basic Classic.
>>
>> You can draw a lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. Using
>> the keyboard to constantly browbeat another product that, frankly, a lot
>> of people actually like to use is insanity. These forums have no
>> influence
>> on Microsoft's business decisions. But a well-crafted business plan just
>> might.
>>
>> -----
>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>
>> > well... i'll make you a deal buddy
>> >
>> > when microsoft does this:
>> >
>> > a) microsoft.com/vb should GO SOMEWHERE
>> > b) NO vs crashes in a month for me
>> > c) _EVERY_SINGLE_PROGRAMMING_EXAMPLE_ is in both C# and VB.net
>> > d) vb newsgroup should be public.microsoft.vb.. not this
>> > 'microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb' crap
>> > e) it isn't verbose like 2002,2003,2005
>> > f) i can copy and paste datasets in SSRS in between reports
>> > g) they support vb6
>> > h) they support developing new COM components
>> > i) they support existing ActiveX controls
>> > if all those come true; I might lay off...
>> >
>> > but until then; their backwards ass crap; i've just about had enough
>> > of it
>> >
>> > Tim Patrick wrote:
>> >
>> >> So when the next version of Visual Studio comes out and includes
>> >> Visual Basic--and
>> >> it will, since I've already tried out an early version of it--will
>> >> you promise
>> >> to leave these forums with the shame of a false prophet and never
>> >> post again?
>> >> One can only hope.
>

> I have been informed by a headhunting agency that .Net
> programmers have a 97.5% employment rate. That means
> there are only 2.5% unemployed, most of them by choice.
> Judging by the number of headhunters that continue to
> show up at my local .Net User Group meetings, I think
> your percentages are off, or a lot more VB6 programmers
> are going to move up to VB2005 to stay employed.
>
> Robin S.
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> "Larry Linson" <larrylinso***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164649903.286926.246400@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > people like to use VB.net?
> >
> > ROFL
> >
> > what universe do you come from?
> >
> > show me some stats.. and I'll show you some stats that say '90% of vb
> > developers still use VB6'
> >
> > I would notify the folks at Monster.com and craigslist.org/job because
> > I sure don't see many VB.net _JOBS_
> >
> > -Larry
> >
> >
> > Tim Patrick wrote:
> >> Except for item #d (which is just a side effect of your overall bad
> >> feeling),
> >> I fully understand your frustration. (By the way, "microsoft.com/vbasic"
> >> does go to the Visual Basic page; I agree that "microsoft.com/vb" should
> >> as well.)
> >>
> >> Concerning items #g through #i: I can tell you how to become rich beyond
> >> your wildest dreams. Start a company that fully supports those who wish
> >> to
> >> continue with VB6. Make a name for yourself, and then approach Microsoft
> >> about licensing the VB6 product and its source code for support and
> >> enhancement
> >> purposes. Everyone always says Microsoft only cares about money; go ahead
> >> and prove it. Convince them that it is in their financial best interest
> >> to
> >> allow your new company to extend Visual Basic Classic.
> >>
> >> You can draw a lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. Using
> >> the keyboard to constantly browbeat another product that, frankly, a lot
> >> of people actually like to use is insanity. These forums have no
> >> influence
> >> on Microsoft's business decisions. But a well-crafted business plan just
> >> might.
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
> >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
> >>
> >> > well... i'll make you a deal buddy
> >> >
> >> > when microsoft does this:
> >> >
> >> > a) microsoft.com/vb should GO SOMEWHERE
> >> > b) NO vs crashes in a month for me
> >> > c) _EVERY_SINGLE_PROGRAMMING_EXAMPLE_ is in both C# and VB.net
> >> > d) vb newsgroup should be public.microsoft.vb.. not this
> >> > 'microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb' crap
> >> > e) it isn't verbose like 2002,2003,2005
> >> > f) i can copy and paste datasets in SSRS in between reports
> >> > g) they support vb6
> >> > h) they support developing new COM components
> >> > i) they support existing ActiveX controls
> >> > if all those come true; I might lay off...
> >> >
> >> > but until then; their backwards ass crap; i've just about had enough
> >> > of it
> >> >
> >> > Tim Patrick wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> So when the next version of Visual Studio comes out and includes
> >> >> Visual Basic--and
> >> >> it will, since I've already tried out an early version of it--will
> >> >> you promise
> >> >> to leave these forums with the shame of a false prophet and never
> >> >> post again?
> >> >> One can only hope.
> >

"Larry Linson" <larrylinso***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164919508.410645.235440@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> dude that's the most ridiculous statistic I've ever heard of in my
> life.
>
> I think that I could jam 98% of my cock in your mouth.. does that make
> you a girl?
>
> -Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RobinS wrote:
>> I have been informed by a headhunting agency that .Net
>> programmers have a 97.5% employment rate. That means
>> there are only 2.5% unemployed, most of them by choice.
>> Judging by the number of headhunters that continue to
>> show up at my local .Net User Group meetings, I think
>> your percentages are off, or a lot more VB6 programmers
>> are going to move up to VB2005 to stay employed.
>>
>> Robin S.
>> ----------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Larry Linson" <larrylinso***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164649903.286926.246400@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > people like to use VB.net?
>> >
>> > ROFL
>> >
>> > what universe do you come from?
>> >
>> > show me some stats.. and I'll show you some stats that say '90% of vb
>> > developers still use VB6'
>> >
>> > I would notify the folks at Monster.com and craigslist.org/job because
>> > I sure don't see many VB.net _JOBS_
>> >
>> > -Larry
>> >
>> >
>> > Tim Patrick wrote:
>> >> Except for item #d (which is just a side effect of your overall bad
>> >> feeling),
>> >> I fully understand your frustration. (By the way,
>> >> "microsoft.com/vbasic"
>> >> does go to the Visual Basic page; I agree that "microsoft.com/vb"
>> >> should
>> >> as well.)
>> >>
>> >> Concerning items #g through #i: I can tell you how to become rich
>> >> beyond
>> >> your wildest dreams. Start a company that fully supports those who
>> >> wish
>> >> to
>> >> continue with VB6. Make a name for yourself, and then approach
>> >> Microsoft
>> >> about licensing the VB6 product and its source code for support and
>> >> enhancement
>> >> purposes. Everyone always says Microsoft only cares about money; go
>> >> ahead
>> >> and prove it. Convince them that it is in their financial best
>> >> interest
>> >> to
>> >> allow your new company to extend Visual Basic Classic.
>> >>
>> >> You can draw a lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.
>> >> Using
>> >> the keyboard to constantly browbeat another product that, frankly, a
>> >> lot
>> >> of people actually like to use is insanity. These forums have no
>> >> influence
>> >> on Microsoft's business decisions. But a well-crafted business plan
>> >> just
>> >> might.
>> >>
>> >> -----
>> >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>> >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>> >>
>> >> > well... i'll make you a deal buddy
>> >> >
>> >> > when microsoft does this:
>> >> >
>> >> > a) microsoft.com/vb should GO SOMEWHERE
>> >> > b) NO vs crashes in a month for me
>> >> > c) _EVERY_SINGLE_PROGRAMMING_EXAMPLE_ is in both C# and VB.net
>> >> > d) vb newsgroup should be public.microsoft.vb.. not this
>> >> > 'microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb' crap
>> >> > e) it isn't verbose like 2002,2003,2005
>> >> > f) i can copy and paste datasets in SSRS in between reports
>> >> > g) they support vb6
>> >> > h) they support developing new COM components
>> >> > i) they support existing ActiveX controls
>> >> > if all those come true; I might lay off...
>> >> >
>> >> > but until then; their backwards ass crap; i've just about had enough
>> >> > of it
>> >> >
>> >> > Tim Patrick wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> So when the next version of Visual Studio comes out and includes
>> >> >> Visual Basic--and
>> >> >> it will, since I've already tried out an early version of it--will
>> >> >> you promise
>> >> >> to leave these forums with the shame of a false prophet and never
>> >> >> post again?
>> >> >> One can only hope.
>> >
>

> The agency who gave me that information provides employment
> statistics to the government, who in turn use it in government
> reports.
>
> As for the second part, it doesn't surprise me that your personal
> parts are so small. It explains what you're trying to make up for
> by being a bully.
>
> Have a nice day!
> Robin S.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> "Larry Linson" <larrylinso***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164919508.410645.235440@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > dude that's the most ridiculous statistic I've ever heard of in my
> > life.
> >
> > I think that I could jam 98% of my cock in your mouth.. does that make
> > you a girl?
> >
> > -Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > RobinS wrote:
> >> I have been informed by a headhunting agency that .Net
> >> programmers have a 97.5% employment rate. That means
> >> there are only 2.5% unemployed, most of them by choice.
> >> Judging by the number of headhunters that continue to
> >> show up at my local .Net User Group meetings, I think
> >> your percentages are off, or a lot more VB6 programmers
> >> are going to move up to VB2005 to stay employed.
> >>
> >> Robin S.
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> "Larry Linson" <larrylinso***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1164649903.286926.246400@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > people like to use VB.net?
> >> >
> >> > ROFL
> >> >
> >> > what universe do you come from?
> >> >
> >> > show me some stats.. and I'll show you some stats that say '90% of vb
> >> > developers still use VB6'
> >> >
> >> > I would notify the folks at Monster.com and craigslist.org/job because
> >> > I sure don't see many VB.net _JOBS_
> >> >
> >> > -Larry
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tim Patrick wrote:
> >> >> Except for item #d (which is just a side effect of your overall bad
> >> >> feeling),
> >> >> I fully understand your frustration. (By the way,
> >> >> "microsoft.com/vbasic"
> >> >> does go to the Visual Basic page; I agree that "microsoft.com/vb"
> >> >> should
> >> >> as well.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Concerning items #g through #i: I can tell you how to become rich
> >> >> beyond
> >> >> your wildest dreams. Start a company that fully supports those who
> >> >> wish
> >> >> to
> >> >> continue with VB6. Make a name for yourself, and then approach
> >> >> Microsoft
> >> >> about licensing the VB6 product and its source code for support and
> >> >> enhancement
> >> >> purposes. Everyone always says Microsoft only cares about money; go
> >> >> ahead
> >> >> and prove it. Convince them that it is in their financial best
> >> >> interest
> >> >> to
> >> >> allow your new company to extend Visual Basic Classic.
> >> >>
> >> >> You can draw a lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.
> >> >> Using
> >> >> the keyboard to constantly browbeat another product that, frankly, a
> >> >> lot
> >> >> of people actually like to use is insanity. These forums have no
> >> >> influence
> >> >> on Microsoft's business decisions. But a well-crafted business plan
> >> >> just
> >> >> might.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----
> >> >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
> >> >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
> >> >>
> >> >> > well... i'll make you a deal buddy
> >> >> >
> >> >> > when microsoft does this:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > a) microsoft.com/vb should GO SOMEWHERE
> >> >> > b) NO vs crashes in a month for me
> >> >> > c) _EVERY_SINGLE_PROGRAMMING_EXAMPLE_ is in both C# and VB.net
> >> >> > d) vb newsgroup should be public.microsoft.vb.. not this
> >> >> > 'microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb' crap
> >> >> > e) it isn't verbose like 2002,2003,2005
> >> >> > f) i can copy and paste datasets in SSRS in between reports
> >> >> > g) they support vb6
> >> >> > h) they support developing new COM components
> >> >> > i) they support existing ActiveX controls
> >> >> > if all those come true; I might lay off...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > but until then; their backwards ass crap; i've just about had enough
> >> >> > of it
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tim Patrick wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> So when the next version of Visual Studio comes out and includes
> >> >> >> Visual Basic--and
> >> >> >> it will, since I've already tried out an early version of it--will
> >> >> >> you promise
> >> >> >> to leave these forums with the shame of a false prophet and never
> >> >> >> post again?
> >> >> >> One can only hope.
> >> >
> >