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Re: Is VB.NET Stable??

Author
30 Nov 2006 5:38 AM
Tim Patrick
Aaron, you may not be a "junior programmer," but everyone thinks you are
because of your attutide. I find your lack of historical programming perspective
amazing. Perhaps you are not aware of how programming was done even just
20 or 25 years ago. Every programmer needed to know and use multiple programmable
systems every single day. Take Unix System V, from AT&T (Bell Labs). Anyone
working on that system had to know C, sh (or csh or ksh or bourne-shell)
scripting, awk, x/troff (if you ever wanted to write documentation), man
(if you ever wanted to write functional documentation), plus the various
macro languages piled on top of these applications, and they had type it
all three different editors: vi, ex, and sed (and for some, emacs). Then
there were all of the esoteric command-line options for hundreds of commands.
Every programmer had a worn-out copy of the System V user's guide on his
or her desk, and it was accessed several times per hour. And if you used
a 4GL on top of that, you needed to know that system's "language" as well.

I myself have had to use four or five different flavors of Basic, three different
C compilers with their slight variations, half-a-dozen platform-specific
GUI class libraries, Pascal, LISP, C++, assembly language, a few 4GL languages,
many of the various HTML-related technologies, and probably a dozen different
scripting technologies, all strewn across nine or ten operating systems.
And I haven't done half of what many programmers have had to put up with
over the years. It may be a burden for you to learn three languages, but
we all do it, and are richer for it. Actually, it's been a joy to experience
them all (except for one or two 4GLs :-), and if Microsoft or whoever comes
after them comes up with something new that takes the programming world by
storm, I will probably jump right in.

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Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

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> I shouldn't be looked down on using a language -- like VB6 that is
> more popular than anything else .NET
>
> Excel Macros; Word Macros; Access Modules; Outlook Macros, DTS
> Packages
>
> can VB.net do any of those?
>
> I just swear that we used to be able to use a single language and now
> we can't do anything without three languages.

Author
30 Nov 2006 9:39 AM
Master Programmer
VS.NET - one small step for self important C++ prgrammers at
Microsoft......

...... One giant leap backwards for Visual Basic developers

- Visual Studio.NET, why write 20 lines of code when you can make it
100 (stupid)
- Turn useful recordsets in less useful XML based format (stupid)
- Use compiled code instead of a scripting language for web sites
(stupid)
- Call it VB but completely change the language (stupid)
- Create a web site IDE designer that can make apps - but not web sites
(stupid)

The Grand Master


Tim Patrick wrote:
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> Aaron, you may not be a "junior programmer," but everyone thinks you are
> because of your attutide. I find your lack of historical programming perspective
> amazing. Perhaps you are not aware of how programming was done even just
> 20 or 25 years ago. Every programmer needed to know and use multiple programmable
> systems every single day. Take Unix System V, from AT&T (Bell Labs). Anyone
> working on that system had to know C, sh (or csh or ksh or bourne-shell)
> scripting, awk, x/troff (if you ever wanted to write documentation), man
> (if you ever wanted to write functional documentation), plus the various
> macro languages piled on top of these applications, and they had type it
> all three different editors: vi, ex, and sed (and for some, emacs). Then
> there were all of the esoteric command-line options for hundreds of commands.
> Every programmer had a worn-out copy of the System V user's guide on his
> or her desk, and it was accessed several times per hour. And if you used
> a 4GL on top of that, you needed to know that system's "language" as well.
>
> I myself have had to use four or five different flavors of Basic, three different
> C compilers with their slight variations, half-a-dozen platform-specific
> GUI class libraries, Pascal, LISP, C++, assembly language, a few 4GL languages,
> many of the various HTML-related technologies, and probably a dozen different
> scripting technologies, all strewn across nine or ten operating systems.
> And I haven't done half of what many programmers have had to put up with
> over the years. It may be a burden for you to learn three languages, but
> we all do it, and are richer for it. Actually, it's been a joy to experience
> them all (except for one or two 4GLs :-), and if Microsoft or whoever comes
> after them comes up with something new that takes the programming world by
> storm, I will probably jump right in.
>
> -----
> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>
> > I shouldn't be looked down on using a language -- like VB6 that is
> > more popular than anything else .NET
> >
> > Excel Macros; Word Macros; Access Modules; Outlook Macros, DTS
> > Packages
> >
> > can VB.net do any of those?
> >
> > I just swear that we used to be able to use a single language and now
> > we can't do anything without three languages.
Author
30 Nov 2006 11:07 AM
Robinson
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"Not aA Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message
news:1164879559.264276.239060@14g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> VS.NET - one small step for self important C++ prgrammers at
> Microsoft......
>
> ..... One giant leap backwards for Visual Basic developers
>
> - Visual Studio.NET, why write 20 lines of code when you can make it
> 100 (stupid)
> - Turn useful recordsets in less useful XML based format (stupid)
> - Use compiled code instead of a scripting language for web sites
> (stupid)
> - Call it VB but completely change the language (stupid)
> - Create a web site IDE designer that can make apps - but not web sites
> (stupid)
>
> The Grand Void

You may have to write 100 lines of code if you want things like
type-safety - something VB 6 knows nothing about but an invaluable tool for
generating code with fewer problems.

I have no idea why you think data access is now all XML based.  You are
basically ignorant, aren't you?

Your "scripting language" will no doubt be JIT compiled for added
efficiency - is that a problem for you?

It should be called "Visual Basic for Software Developers" rather than
Visual Basic 6 for school-children.

The language has grown up a lot, unlike your good self.