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ANN: VS2005 SP1http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx Standard, Professional, and Team...: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=BB4A75AB-E2D4-4C96-B39D-37BAF6B5B1DC Express Ed.: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=7b0b0339-613a-46e6-ab4d-080d4d4a8c4e Blog http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2006/12/14/vs-2005-sp1-is-released.aspx -- Thomas Scheidegger - MVP .NET - 'NETMaster' http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_dotnet.html - http://dnetmaster.net/ Thanks for the links. Is there any documents that lists the changes
in this gigantic service pack? The MSDN article linked to on the download page is characteristically "not available"... "Chris Nahr" <dioge***@kynosarges.de> wrote in message Yes, it's unfortunate that they make this SP public before the KB article is news:cqs4o2poi6alpjcorqrbrg2aa73boj2mus@4ax.com... | Thanks for the links. Is there any documents that lists the changes | in this gigantic service pack? The MSDN article linked to on the | download page is characteristically "not available"... | -- | http://www.kynosarges.de even available. Also note that the download page mentions Vista as a target platform, however, it fails to install on Vista 64 bit. Probably the KB will tell us that Vista (64?) is currently not supported. Willy. It installs correctly on Vista 32 bit (in the second try), but brings
up a pre-start message that a Vista SP is necessary, even though this won't be available for another 2 months. VS runs fine if you click OK and don't bother with it. Willy Denoyette [MVP] wrote: Show quoteHide quote > "Chris Nahr" <dioge***@kynosarges.de> wrote in message > news:cqs4o2poi6alpjcorqrbrg2aa73boj2mus@4ax.com... > | Thanks for the links. Is there any documents that lists the changes > | in this gigantic service pack? The MSDN article linked to on the > | download page is characteristically "not available"... > | -- > | http://www.kynosarges.de > > Yes, it's unfortunate that they make this SP public before the KB article is > even available. Also note that the download page mentions Vista as a target > platform, however, it fails to install on Vista 64 bit. Probably the KB will > tell us that Vista (64?) is currently not supported. > > Willy. "Jacob" <jacob.reim***@gmail.com> wrote in message Thanks, I know it installs on Vista 32 and I know that we will need an "update for V2005 SP1 news:1166191807.796735.296980@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... > It installs correctly on Vista 32 bit (in the second try), but brings > up a pre-start message that a Vista SP is necessary, even though this > won't be available for another 2 months. VS runs fine if you click OK > and don't bother with it. for Vista" which will be released Q1 2007. but I need SP1 it on Vista 64, but here the install fails telling me something like ....no VS2005 found or that the target is incompatible with SP1... which is BS really, there is only one version of VS2005 Team Editon, exactly the same as installed on Vista32 or XP and there is only one version of SP1 TE. No big deal however, there are more issues than that when developing on a 64 bit OS, that's why I'm using the latest Windows SDK tools (64 bit) and use VS2005 only as an editor on Vista64. Willy. Would everybody please cancel your downloads so mine will finish faster?
<VBG> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:00:30 +0100, Thomas Scheidegger [MVP] wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Final: Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (SP1). > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx > > Standard, Professional, and Team...: > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=BB4A75AB-E2D4-4C96-B39D-37BAF6B5B1DC > > Express Ed.: > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=7b0b0339-613a-46e6-ab4d-080d4d4a8c4e > > > Blog > http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2006/12/14/vs-2005-sp1-is-released.aspx
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news:pgsvmfy9tg00$.ozqieh8swjgj.dlg@40tude.net... | | Would everybody please cancel your downloads so mine will finish faster? | | <VBG> | | | On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:00:30 +0100, Thomas Scheidegger [MVP] wrote: | | > Final: Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (SP1). | > | > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx | > | > Standard, Professional, and Team...: | > | >
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| > | > Blog | > Don't hurry, you will need to be patient when applyng the SP1, take a look at the first dialog, <..may take several minutes to several hours...> ain't no joke :-). Willy. Also (and it does mention this somewhere on the site):
*** UNINSTALL the web application projects add-on if you have it... Otherwise it will spend an age churning, and *then* tell you to remove it (and close itself). Of course, it will still take a few hours to install (quite literally, depending on spec.)... Marc On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:14:20 +0100, "Willy Denoyette [MVP]"
>Don't hurry, you will need to be patient when applyng the SP1, take a look Does anyone know if SP1 is worth it? I was waiting forever for the>at the first dialog, <..may take several minutes to several hours...> ain't >no joke :-). > >Willy. fixes to Emacs-mode editing, so I jumped on the SP1 beta. I regret that. No fixes, and it runs very slow. (Click two controls and wait for the 'make same size' icon to get enabled... stuff like that). Is SP1 a similar disaster? I doubt that they've fixed any Emacs bugs. V wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:14:20 +0100, "Willy Denoyette [MVP]" I installed SP1 around 30 minutes ago, and YES, it certainly does seem > > Does anyone know if SP1 is worth it? to be worth it! The immediate benefit appears to be the increased speed in working in the IDE. Development applications start quicker, and close immediately. They've even fixed the Toolbar Docking issues, so the toolbars really do remember where they are supposed to be positioned. (Even on a multi-monitor setup). The speed increase also appears to have been carried over to the development application itself. A major app I've been working on for the past few months shows definite speed increases. "Help" also loads in 10 secs, not 20! As far as the many other issues are concerned, I'm yet to determine, but so far it is looking very good! ShaneO There are 10 kinds of people - Those who understand Binary and those who don't. Willy Denoyette [MVP] wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > And make sure you have enough diskspace. I had 2gb free, but it wasn't> "BobF" <rNfOrSePeA***@charter.net> wrote in message > news:pgsvmfy9tg00$.ozqieh8swjgj.dlg@40tude.net... > > > > Would everybody please cancel your downloads so mine will finish > > faster? > > > | <VBG> > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:00:30 +0100, Thomas Scheidegger [MVP] wrote: > > > | > Final: Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (SP1). > | > > | > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx > | > > | > Standard, Professional, and Team...: > | > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=BB4A75AB-E2D4 > -4C96-B39D-37BAF6B5B1DC | > > | > Express Ed.: > | > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=7b0b0339-613a > -46e6-ab4d-080d4d4a8c4e | > > | > > | > Blog > | > > http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2006/12/14/vs-2005-sp1-is-rele > ased.aspx > > Don't hurry, you will need to be patient when applyng the SP1, take a > look at the first dialog, <..may take several minutes to several > hours...> ain't no joke :-). enough, it crapped out during file copy with an internal error. (hurray :/). Gathering required information during installation took 45 minutes with 100% usage.So I wondered what this pile of crap they call 'installer' was doing, and it's requerying the registry OVER AND OVER again. Gee, no wonder it's slow. :/ It's now busy with its second attempt to install. Let's see if it can make it to the end or it still craps out with an internal error. FB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lead developer of LLBLGen Pro, the productive O/R mapper for .NET LLBLGen Pro website: http://www.llblgen.com My .NET blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma Microsoft MVP (C#) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Following the links at the download page [1] I see no SP download for Visual
Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition. Which download should I use? -- Show quoteHide quote<%= Clinton Gallagher NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ MAP http://wikimapia.org/#y=43038073&x=-88043838&z=17&l=0&m=h [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx "Thomas Scheidegger [MVP]" <spam.netmaster@swissonline.ch> wrote in message news:uovX5aBIHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Final: Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (SP1). > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx > > Standard, Professional, and Team...: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=BB4A75AB-E2D4-4C96-B39D-37BAF6B5B1DC > > Express Ed.: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=7b0b0339-613a-46e6-ab4d-080d4d4a8c4e > > > Blog > > http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2006/12/14/vs-2005-sp1-is-released.aspx > > > > > -- > Thomas Scheidegger - MVP .NET - 'NETMaster' > http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_dotnet.html - http://dnetmaster.net/ > > > clintonG wrote:
> Following the links at the download page [1] I see no SP download for There's no such product as VS 2005 Enterprise Edition. There's Express, > Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition. Which download should I use? Standard, Professional and Team - no Enterprise. Unless you're using an express edition, you should use the Team Suite version as that will work for every version of VS. -cd On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:02:46 -0800, "Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]"
<cpdaniel_remove_this_and_nospam@mvps.org.nospam> wrote: >clintonG wrote: Carl, Do you know if they've fixed the Emacs bugs in SP1? (Was not the>> Following the links at the download page [1] I see no SP download for >> Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition. Which download should I use? > >There's no such product as VS 2005 Enterprise Edition. There's Express, >Standard, Professional and Team - no Enterprise. Unless you're using an >express edition, you should use the Team Suite version as that will work for >every version of VS. > >-cd case in the SP1 beta) Is everyone else using the standard MS Editor? Not sure why programmers would like that editor at all. V wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:02:46 -0800, "Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" I have no idea. I would imagine that there are very few noticible changes > <cpdaniel_remove_this_and_nospam@mvps.org.nospam> wrote: > >> clintonG wrote: >>> Following the links at the download page [1] I see no SP download >>> for Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition. Which download should I >>> use? >> >> There's no such product as VS 2005 Enterprise Edition. There's >> Express, Standard, Professional and Team - no Enterprise. Unless >> you're using an express edition, you should use the Team Suite >> version as that will work for every version of VS. >> >> -cd > > Carl, Do you know if they've fixed the Emacs bugs in SP1? (Was not the > case in the SP1 beta) between the release version and the beta. > Personally, I can't understand why people get so attached to their editor. > Is everyone else using the standard MS Editor? Not sure why > programmers would like that editor at all. I've found it make my life much simpler to simply adapt and move on. -cd "Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]"
<cpdaniel_remove_this_and_nospam@mvps.org.nospam> wrote in news:u#PIphSIHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: I find the built in MS editor decent. Nothing wrong with it...>> Is everyone else using the standard MS Editor? Not sure why >> programmers would like that editor at all. > > Personally, I can't understand why people get so attached to their > editor. I've found it make my life much simpler to simply adapt and > move on. On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:24:18 GMT, Spam Catcher
<spamhoneypot@rogers.com> wrote: >"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" Many touch typists don't want to lift their fingers from the><cpdaniel_remove_this_and_nospam@mvps.org.nospam> wrote in >news:u#PIphSIHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > >>> Is everyone else using the standard MS Editor? Not sure why >>> programmers would like that editor at all. >> >> Personally, I can't understand why people get so attached to their >> editor. I've found it make my life much simpler to simply adapt and >> move on. > >I find the built in MS editor decent. Nothing wrong with it... asdf/jjkl; key position just to go find a delete key or backspace. Those keys are at different places on various brands of keyboards. Emacs, and even the old Wordstar editor, had control key combinations that were under the fingers, and (aside from the control key itself), always at the same places. You can type reflexively, without losing some focus on code. Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even something simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at the right side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the distraction of having to hunt for keys? MS's standard keyboard mapping doesn't even have a 'kill-to-end-of-line' command. (I know, VS now has control-L, but kind of an afterthought to their 'standard'). V <V@nospam.com> wrote:
>Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even something I spend about 80% of my time thinking, 18% of my time typing and maybe>simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at the right >side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the distraction >of having to hunt for keys? 2% of my time editing. Moreover, every time I do editing it's a signal that I need to spend more time thinking. So (1) having nonconventional keystrokes for a rare task is actually worse, and (2) thinking is the bottleneck, not keystrokes. -- Lucian Lucian Wischik wrote:
> V <V@nospam.com> wrote: Same here. Once I get to the typing, it's simply a matter of cranking> > Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even > > something simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at > > the right side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the > > distraction of having to hunt for keys? > > I spend about 80% of my time thinking, 18% of my time typing and maybe > 2% of my time editing. Moreover, every time I do editing it's a signal > that I need to spend more time thinking. So (1) having nonconventional > keystrokes for a rare task is actually worse, and (2) thinking is the > bottleneck, not keystrokes. out a lot of code, and I want to avoid re-doing pieces of code as that signals that I wasted time earlier on (because I have to remove work I wrote before) and IMHO that suggests I didn't think it through enough. FB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lead developer of LLBLGen Pro, the productive O/R mapper for .NET LLBLGen Pro website: http://www.llblgen.com My .NET blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma Microsoft MVP (C#) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:25:02 -0800, "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]"
<perseus.usenetNOSPAM@xs4all.nl> wrote: Show quoteHide quote >Lucian Wischik wrote: With respect, I'm still not sure what bearing that has on the editor.> >> V <V@nospam.com> wrote: >> > Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even >> > something simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at >> > the right side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the >> > distraction of having to hunt for keys? >> >> I spend about 80% of my time thinking, 18% of my time typing and maybe >> 2% of my time editing. Moreover, every time I do editing it's a signal >> that I need to spend more time thinking. So (1) having nonconventional >> keystrokes for a rare task is actually worse, and (2) thinking is the >> bottleneck, not keystrokes. > > Same here. Once I get to the typing, it's simply a matter of cranking >out a lot of code, and I want to avoid re-doing pieces of code as that >signals that I wasted time earlier on (because I have to remove work I >wrote before) and IMHO that suggests I didn't think it through enough. > > FB If you generate 1MB of code without having to hunt for cursor position keys, then you're the best programmer I know <g>. I not only need the delete and backspace keys (about 40% of my keystrokes, I confess), but I work a lot on Unix systems where I've developed reflexes for Emacs key mapping. Great most of the time, as it's available everywhere else. It works against me in newer VS. (Older VS versions had Epsilon mapping that was done pretty well!) I also have to maintain other peoples' code, where I do have to remove and re-edit large blocks of code (Never happens with my own code<g>). And I end up writing a lot of boilerplate stuff that is primarily boring typing (You guys got all the interesting work). I know lots of people who use Emacs, but I guess there's a reason why most go to third party editors for Visual Studio. But...I guess I asked the question. Got the answer. V wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:25:02 -0800, "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]" Well, back in the days when I was writing C using WYSE terminals on> <perseus.usenetNOSPAM@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > Lucian Wischik wrote: > > > >> V <V@nospam.com> wrote: > >> > Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even > >> > something simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes > at >> > the right side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you > avoid the >> > distraction of having to hunt for keys? > >> > >> I spend about 80% of my time thinking, 18% of my time typing and > maybe >> 2% of my time editing. Moreover, every time I do editing > it's a signal >> that I need to spend more time thinking. So (1) > having nonconventional >> keystrokes for a rare task is actually > worse, and (2) thinking is the >> bottleneck, not keystrokes. > > > > Same here. Once I get to the typing, it's simply a matter of > > cranking out a lot of code, and I want to avoid re-doing pieces of > > code as that signals that I wasted time earlier on (because I have > > to remove work I wrote before) and IMHO that suggests I didn't > > think it through enough. > > > > FB > > With respect, I'm still not sure what bearing that has on the editor. > If you generate 1MB of code without having to hunt for cursor position > keys, then you're the best programmer I know <g>. I not only need the > delete and backspace keys (about 40% of my keystrokes, I confess), but > I work a lot on Unix systems where I've developed reflexes for Emacs > key mapping. Great most of the time, as it's available everywhere > else. It works against me in newer VS. (Older VS versions had Epsilon > mapping that was done pretty well!) SUN unix boxes, I really tried, but Emacs never appealed to me, and with vi, it was 'ok', but it never was as productive as the assemblers I had on the amiga for example, I guess, I don't mind if I have to move to the backspace (which I can reach without moving my right hand, and moving the right hand to the cursor keys isn't that much of a problem either). I never felt that as a problem. What I DID find a problem is that when I want to type something, I accidently triggered a command of some sort. > I also have to maintain other peoples' code, where I do have to remove Hey, my core business is creating the plumbing code for others, so> and re-edit large blocks of code (Never happens with my own code<g>). > And I end up writing a lot of boilerplate stuff that is primarily > boring typing (You guys got all the interesting work). some might say I get the boring work ;) > I know lots of people who use Emacs, but I guess there's a reason why I also think it's a matter of personal preference. I mean, some people> most go to third party editors for Visual Studio. But...I guess I > asked the question. Got the answer. even deliberately chose VB.NET over C#, so why shouldn't there people be chosing Emacs over another editor? ;) FB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lead developer of LLBLGen Pro, the productive O/R mapper for .NET LLBLGen Pro website: http://www.llblgen.com My .NET blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma Microsoft MVP (C#) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ V <V@nospam.com> wrote in news:qes8o2pon1ig2e53iq622e9k0mqvua7l58@4ax.com: I never had that problem - maybe I'm not as old ;-) I grew up with these > Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even something > simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at the right > side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the distraction > of having to hunt for keys? keyboards, so I've always found typing on them natural. But each to their own! :-) Spam Catcher wrote:
> V <V@nospam.com> wrote in news:qes8o2pon1ig2e53iq622e9k0mqvua7l58@4ax.com: I am just that bit older, and can touch-type, but don't believe those > >> Don't you find the constant repositioning distracting? Even something >> simple like cursor position--those keys are sometimes at the right >> side, sometimes at the bottom,.etc. How do you avoid the distraction >> of having to hunt for keys? > > I never had that problem - maybe I'm not as old ;-) I grew up with these > keyboards, so I've always found typing on them natural. > > But each to their own! :-) skills provide any advantage for software development. The only time touch-typing is of any advantage (in my opinion) is when I'm entering the text to be displayed in a MessageBox or entering comments. The rest of the time it would hardly matter if I was one-handed with just one finger! (Except probably for two-key combinations :-) ) ShaneO There are 10 kinds of people - Those who understand Binary and those who don't. V- [Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:40:45 -0500]:
>'kill-to-end-of-line' command. (I know, VS now has control-L, but kind I do a shift-end, then del. I don't think aboutdoing it -- I just do it. -- 40th Floor - Software @ http://40th.com/ iPlay : the ultimate audio player for mobiles mp3,mp4,m4a,aac,ogg,wma,flac,wav, play+record parametric eq, xfeed, reverb; all on a mobile "Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <cpdaniel_remove_this_and_nospam@mvps.org.nospam>
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-28,GGLG:en&q=%22Visual+Studio+2005+Enterprise+Edition%22wrote in message news:%23sooIZLIHHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > clintonG wrote: >> Following the links at the download page [1] I see no SP download for >> Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition. Which download should I use? > > There's no such product as VS 2005 Enterprise Edition. On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:04:38 -0000, Mark Rae wrote:
> "Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <cpdaniel_remove_this_and_nospam@mvps.org.nospam> I clicked the link. Here's what I discovered:> wrote in message news:%23sooIZLIHHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> clintonG wrote: >>> Following the links at the download page [1] I see no SP download for >>> Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition. Which download should I use? >> >> There's no such product as VS 2005 Enterprise Edition. > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-28,GGLG:en&q=%22Visual+Studio+2005+Enterprise+Edition%22 An Ebay ad using the term "Enterprise Edition" which is actually referring to the "Team Suite". If you're going to download SP1 from ebay, search for "Enterprise Edition". If you're downloading SP1 from M$, search for "Team Suite". <g> "BobF" <rNfOrSePeA***@charter.net> wrote in message
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364073(VS.80).aspxnews:18dnv9p5axlb2.1ltszdz9dlg85.dlg@40tude.net... > If you're downloading SP1 from M$, search for "Team Suite". <g> Do a search within that page for "Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition" Note also the URL... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:29:56 -0000, Mark Rae wrote:
> "BobF" <rNfOrSePeA***@charter.net> wrote in message An obvious problem with someone writing docs for M$. What does your box> news:18dnv9p5axlb2.1ltszdz9dlg85.dlg@40tude.net... > >> If you're downloading SP1 from M$, search for "Team Suite". <g> > > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364073(VS.80).aspx > > Do a search within that page for "Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition" > > Note also the URL... say on it? Thanks for comments. I am using Professional Edition. My mistake came in
reading too fast and observing the suffix - ENU and dyslexically "reading" as an Enterprise Edition as noted in the Add or Remove Programs entry which reads... Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition - ENU What's ENU stand for? -- Show quoteHide quote<%= Clinton Gallagher NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ MAP http://wikimapia.org/#y=43038073&x=-88043838&z=17&l=0&m=h "BobF" <rNfOrSePeA***@charter.net> wrote in message news:8m7bnika8hde.y17eeswp12nq.dlg@40tude.net... > On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:29:56 -0000, Mark Rae wrote: > >> "BobF" <rNfOrSePeA***@charter.net> wrote in message >> news:18dnv9p5axlb2.1ltszdz9dlg85.dlg@40tude.net... >> >>> If you're downloading SP1 from M$, search for "Team Suite". <g> >> >> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms364073(VS.80).aspx >> >> Do a search within that page for "Visual Studio 2005 Enterprise Edition" >> >> Note also the URL... > > An obvious problem with someone writing docs for M$. What does your box > say on it? Hi,
clintonG wrote: > Thanks for comments. I am using Professional Edition. My mistake came in http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ENU> reading too fast and observing the suffix - ENU and dyslexically "reading" > as an Enterprise Edition as noted in the Add or Remove Programs entry which > reads... > > Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition - ENU > > What's ENU stand for? My vote goes to English (USA) ;-) HTH, Laurent -- Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch My vote is ENglish Unit :)
Show quoteHide quote "clintonG" <csgallag***@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message news:eGWmUZTIHHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > What's ENU stand for? Hi,
Bruce W. Darby wrote: > My vote is ENglish Unit :) For Visual Studio? I wasn't aware my copy was counting in meters and kgs ;-)Laurent -- Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch ENU stands for "English (USA)", whereas "English (UK)" is, naturally, ENG.
See http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/nlsweb/default.mspx JR Show quoteHide quote "Laurent Bugnion" <galasoft***@bluewin.ch> wrote in message news:uFXicVeIHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > Bruce W. Darby wrote: >> My vote is ENglish Unit :) > > For Visual Studio? I wasn't aware my copy was counting in meters and kgs > ;-) > > Laurent > -- > Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft > Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch > PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures > Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch *sigh* Always something from Microsoft spoiling our fun... LOL
"JR" <NoM***@qsm.co.il> wrote in message Thanks for the link JR.news:eohCYFgIHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > ENU stands for "English (USA)", whereas "English (UK)" is, naturally, ENG. > > See http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/nlsweb/default.mspx > > JR It's all a matter of perspective, dear boy... ;)
I spent 16 years in the military and even I was a GI. LOL Show quoteHide quote "Laurent Bugnion" <galasoft***@bluewin.ch> wrote in message news:uFXicVeIHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > Bruce W. Darby wrote: >> My vote is ENglish Unit :) > > For Visual Studio? I wasn't aware my copy was counting in meters and kgs > ;-) > > Laurent > -- > Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft > Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch > PhotoAlbum: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch/pictures > Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:30:57 +0100, Chris Nahr
<dioge***@kynosarges.de> wrote: What the hell! Those are only installation issues, and the link to "What's New in Visual Studio 2005 SP1" just leads to the MSDN Library page describing the original VS2005 release. Just what is so hard about posting a list of fixes and changes!? On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:36:38 +0100, Chris Nahr
<dioge***@kynosarges.de> wrote: >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:30:57 +0100, Chris Nahr Inspires confidence, doesn't it? It's suprising to hear that the><dioge***@kynosarges.de> wrote: > >>And the release notes are finally up... >>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=928957 > >What the hell! Those are only installation issues, and the link to >"What's New in Visual Studio 2005 SP1" just leads to the MSDN Library >page describing the original VS2005 release. > >Just what is so hard about posting a list of fixes and changes!? installation is such a delicate process (have to wait 10 minutes after the last compile with VS2005 noSP? The dialogs may disappear if you move the dialog window?) . Given the problems I've had with the SP1 beta, I'll sit this one out until there is a compelling reason. Or if there are reports of fixes to Emacs, then I"ll be the guinea pig, and I'll report in about how it went. If only anyone knew about Emacs patches. <g> V <V@nospam.com> wrote in news:bnd7o2pg9021shndfccepbhfrp2u7rl04s@4ax.com: Anyone else use EMACs with VS.NET? Probably not very many???> Given the problems I've had with the SP1 beta, I'll sit this one out > until there is a compelling reason. Or if there are reports of fixes > to Emacs, then I"ll be the guinea pig, and I'll report in about how it > went. If only anyone knew about Emacs patches. <g> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:30:59 GMT, Spam Catcher
<spamhoneypot@rogers.com> wrote: >V <V@nospam.com> wrote in news:bnd7o2pg9021shndfccepbhfrp2u7rl04s@4ax.com: My guess is that many have moved on to external plugin editors. Some> >> Given the problems I've had with the SP1 beta, I'll sit this one out >> until there is a compelling reason. Or if there are reports of fixes >> to Emacs, then I"ll be the guinea pig, and I'll report in about how it >> went. If only anyone knew about Emacs patches. <g> > >Anyone else use EMACs with VS.NET? Probably not very many??? of the VS Emacs bugs are severe (copy/pasting incorrect text...How did they mess that up? And why can't they fix it?). Those bugs are listed on the MS Bug Report, but usually get closed with "Won't Fix." Not a great response to anyone who takes the time to spell out exactly how to trigger their bugs. Some of them should be incredibly easy to fix. Some bugs, like clipboard corruption, have effects that extend to outside programs. V <V@nospam.com> wrote in news:h7u8o25seejsbejnk8v080c4r75sh0bg7c@4ax.com: Oh I didn't know VS came with EMACs. I thought you were using an extermal > My guess is that many have moved on to external plugin editors. Some > of the VS Emacs bugs are severe (copy/pasting incorrect text...How did > they mess that up? And why can't they fix it?). > editor. I liked EMACs when I worked with UNIX during my undergrad. It was definately much nicer to use than VI. On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:51:57 GMT, Spam Catcher
<spamhoneypot@rogers.com> wrote: >V <V@nospam.com> wrote in news:h7u8o25seejsbejnk8v080c4r75sh0bg7c@4ax.com: Yes, there's Emacs emulation lurking under 'keyboard' in the config> >> My guess is that many have moved on to external plugin editors. Some >> of the VS Emacs bugs are severe (copy/pasting incorrect text...How did >> they mess that up? And why can't they fix it?). >> > >Oh I didn't know VS came with EMACs. I thought you were using an extermal >editor. > >I liked EMACs when I worked with UNIX during my undergrad. It was >definately much nicer to use than VI. menu. In pre .NET editors there was 'Epsilon' emulation. Epsilon is a fine editor modelled on Emacs keybindings--one of the first where you could write your own key functions in a C-like syntax. (Emacs used Lisp). Epsilon disappeared from early VS.NET. Replaced by 'Emacs' in VS2005, but with lots of bugs. Many rudimentary. Many sporadic--makes you wonder. They often corrupt the clipboard (aren't you supposed to leave that alone?) Looks like they were not able to fix them. I guess it's not that easy to write code after all? <g> Spam Catcher wrote:
> V <V@nospam.com> wrote in As an ex-VI-user I can't understand why people even want to use Emacs'> news:bnd7o2pg9021shndfccepbhfrp2u7rl04s@4ax.com: > > > Given the problems I've had with the SP1 beta, I'll sit this one out > > until there is a compelling reason. Or if there are reports of fixes > > to Emacs, then I"ll be the guinea pig, and I'll report in about how > > it went. If only anyone knew about Emacs patches. <g> > > Anyone else use EMACs with VS.NET? Probably not very many??? typing style in modern editors. :) FB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lead developer of LLBLGen Pro, the productive O/R mapper for .NET LLBLGen Pro website: http://www.llblgen.com My .NET blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma Microsoft MVP (C#) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello Frans,
> As an ex-VI-user I can't understand why people even want to use Emacs' I created a plugin on top of DXCore that reproduces some of Emacs's >typing style in modern editors. :) Electric Editing functionality... just because I liked it, and to this day there's no proper equivalent functionality in typical Windows applications. Many of the editing modes for Emacs were simply superb... http://www.sturmnet.org/blog/cr-electric-editing/ Oliver Sturm I use a product called ViEmu with Visual Studio that gives me a vi/vim interface
to the Code Editor. It's pretty close to regular vim, and (for me) a lot faster than moving my hands to the arrow keys all the time. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > V <V@nospam.com> wrote in > news:bnd7o2pg9021shndfccepbhfrp2u7rl04s@4ax.com: > >> Given the problems I've had with the SP1 beta, I'll sit this one out >> until there is a compelling reason. Or if there are reports of fixes >> to Emacs, then I"ll be the guinea pig, and I'll report in about how >> it went. If only anyone knew about Emacs patches. <g> >> > Anyone else use EMACs with VS.NET? Probably not very many??? > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:42:46 +0000 (UTC), Tim Patrick
<inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote: >I use a product called ViEmu with Visual Studio that gives me a vi/vim interface There you go, I guess I need to learn VI <g>. I have to type on a lot>to the Code Editor. It's pretty close to regular vim, and (for me) a lot >faster than moving my hands to the arrow keys all the time. > >----- >Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 of different systems, often laptops. It's a distraction to lift from the normal keys to begin with, but the cursor keys are always in different places. Important update! Microsoft has added a section "New in Visual Studio
2005 SP1" at this location (yes, the URL has embedded parentheses): http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/88fx1xy0(VS.80).aspx Unfortunately, as of now this section is... completely empty. Has *anyone* got a satisfactory list of the changes / fixes in SP1?
The only obvious things are web-projects (previously available as a bolt-on) and SqlServer CE... The KB did eventually surface, but was equally vague... Marc "Marc Gravell" <marc.grav***@gmail.com> wrote:
http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=918526
>Has *anyone* got a satisfactory list of the changes / fixes in SP1? >The only obvious things are web-projects (previously available as a >bolt-on) and SqlServer CE... >The KB did eventually surface, but was equally vague... - a list of all the hotfixes that are in SP1. I can't find any other information about it yet but I'll keep looking. (the Microsoft campus lost power for several days so I think things are a bit sluggish...) -- Lucian Thanks... I did search, but to no avail; this is just what I was
after, ta Marc On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 02:09:44 -0800, Lucian Wischik <lu***@wischik.com>
wrote: >http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=918526 Thanks! I forgot about the power outage, that might explain the delay>- a list of all the hotfixes that are in SP1. I can't find any other >information about it yet but I'll keep looking. (the Microsoft campus >lost power for several days so I think things are a bit sluggish...) (although I'd think Microsoft has its own backup generators). Meanwhile, here are more detailed lists of fixes specific to VC++: http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2006/06/22/643325.aspx Given the storn Seattle just had, I doubt any backup system other than full
generators (which can be really expensive and not justified for non-critical systems) would have done the job. Mike Ober. Show quoteHide quote "Chris Nahr" <dioge***@kynosarges.de> wrote in message news:mvifo2l6kvjnusk9lg4iomkp11s6hmjthr@4ax.com... > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 02:09:44 -0800, Lucian Wischik <lu***@wischik.com> > wrote: > > >http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=918526 > >- a list of all the hotfixes that are in SP1. I can't find any other > >information about it yet but I'll keep looking. (the Microsoft campus > >lost power for several days so I think things are a bit sluggish...) > > Thanks! I forgot about the power outage, that might explain the delay > (although I'd think Microsoft has its own backup generators). > > Meanwhile, here are more detailed lists of fixes specific to VC++: > http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2006/06/22/643325.aspx > -- > http://www.kynosarges.de > Lucian Wischik wrote:
> "Marc Gravell" <marc.grav***@gmail.com> wrote: that list is far from complete. There are 2200+ fixes in this sp, on> > Has anyone got a satisfactory list of the changes / fixes in SP1? > > The only obvious things are web-projects (previously available as a > > bolt-on) and SqlServer CE... > > The KB did eventually surface, but was equally vague... > > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=918526 > - a list of all the hotfixes that are in SP1. I can't find any other > information about it yet but I'll keep looking. (the Microsoft campus > lost power for several days so I think things are a bit sluggish...) that page are just a couple. FB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lead developer of LLBLGen Pro, the productive O/R mapper for .NET LLBLGen Pro website: http://www.llblgen.com My .NET blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma Microsoft MVP (C#) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]" <perseus.usenetNOSPAM@xs4all.nl> wrote: Okay, I heard back from the SP1 team about documentation. They said>Lucian Wischik wrote: >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=918526 >> - a list of all the hotfixes that are in SP1. I can't find any other >> information about it yet but I'll keep looking. (the Microsoft campus >> lost power for several days so I think things are a bit sluggish...) > > that list is far from complete. There are 2200+ fixes in this sp, on >that page are just a couple. that other than the existing hotfix page they don't have good public documentation for it yet, and they're aware that this is a problem, and they are currently working on publishing something about it. -- Lucian Hi Lucian,
> Okay, I heard back from the SP1 team about documentation. They said I know, but we've had this conversation before. There was an argument > that other than the existing hotfix page they don't have good public > documentation for it yet, and they're aware that this is a problem, > and they are currently working on publishing something about it. recently on the Mozilla groups because they'd released an update WITHOUT any release notes followed by lame excuses about "not wanting to delay the release". Well the release notes and changelog are PART of the release. I pointed out that Microsoft always publish the release notes and changelog with all their updates, and now suddenly, it's not true! With all the money and resources at Microsoft, it's just not good enough! -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) Marc Gravell wrote:
> Has anyone got a satisfactory list of the changes / fixes in SP1? I haven't seen a complete list and I think no-one will ever see that> The only obvious things are web-projects (previously available as a > bolt-on) and SqlServer CE... > > The KB did eventually surface, but was equally vague... list. It's said (Scott Guthrie said this, I think) that this service pack contains over 2200 fixes. That would mean over 2200 KB articles, and this kb they now posted contains (didn't count them) not more than 50 or so. FB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lead developer of LLBLGen Pro, the productive O/R mapper for .NET LLBLGen Pro website: http://www.llblgen.com My .NET blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma Microsoft MVP (C#) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Thomas Scheidegger [MVP]" <spam.netmaster@swissonline.ch> wrote in Size: 431.7 MBnews:uovX5aBIHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > Final: Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (SP1). > Did they rewrite Visual Studios? :-) Spam Catcher wrote:
> "Thomas Scheidegger [MVP]" <spam.netmaster@swissonline.ch> wrote in The original is 3500 MB, this is just a minor fixup.> news:uovX5aBIHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > >> Final: Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (SP1). >> > > > Size: 431.7 MB > > Did they rewrite Visual Studios? :-) Bo Persson
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"Spam Catcher" <spamhoneypot@rogers.com> wrote in message 80% of this 400+ MB is attributed to VC, the ATL, CRT and MFC libraries and headers alone news:Xns989B9233AAFF2usenethoneypotrogers@127.0.0.1... > "Thomas Scheidegger [MVP]" <spam.netmaster@swissonline.ch> wrote in > news:uovX5aBIHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > >> Final: Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 (SP1). >> > > > Size: 431.7 MB > > Did they rewrite Visual Studios? :-) > contribute for >300MB, so I would say that this is more a VC++ SP than a VS2005 SP. Willy. In article <uovX5aBIHHA.***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
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