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VB.Net advice neededHi
I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, and was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net with vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on vb.net prorgrammers. Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I have some good learning books. Please advice /A. It may not look like it at first, but VB.Net and C# are very very
similar. If you know vb it's very easy to learn c# and vice versa.... As a developer you need both courses. Do you really have to choose between them? /Niklas Andy.I skrev: Show quoteHide quote > Hi > > I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, and > was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning > more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. > By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net with > vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is > targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on vb.net > prorgrammers. > Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as > Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I > have some good learning books. > Please advice > > /A. You mean between the C# and Asp.net? This semester I have to choose.
The problem is that the instructor says that the C# cource could be a bit much since I have no OOP experience (such as Java or C++). So if ASP.net can be useful i should take this, and maybe OOP with VB.net next semester instead in paralell with the C# cource? /A. <niklas.ar***@nordicstation.com> wrote in message Show quoteHide quote news:1166617069.211338.149590@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com... > It may not look like it at first, but VB.Net and C# are very very > similar. If you know vb it's very easy to learn c# and vice versa.... > > As a developer you need both courses. Do you really have to choose > between them? > > /Niklas > > Andy.I skrev: > >> Hi >> >> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, >> and >> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning >> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. >> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net >> with >> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is >> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on >> vb.net >> prorgrammers. >> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as >> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I >> have some good learning books. >> Please advice >> >> /A. > VB.Net is OOP too.
The earlier you start thinking "object oriented" the better. Asp.net is also entirely based on OOP. To put it like this... It's not optimal to mix languages during your education, but it can be done. You should not learn asp.net before you understand OOP, it will give you much more when you understand those concepts(But who am I to say you won't learn oop during the asp.net course) . A course you have studied in VB you shouldn't study in c# if you want to learn something. c# oop and vb.net oop is exactly the same. /Niklas Andy.I skrev: Show quoteHide quote > You mean between the C# and Asp.net? This semester I have to choose. > The problem is that the instructor says that the C# cource could be a bit > much since I have no OOP experience (such as Java or C++). > So if ASP.net can be useful i should take this, and maybe OOP with VB.net > next semester instead in paralell with the C# cource? > > /A. > > <niklas.ar***@nordicstation.com> wrote in message > news:1166617069.211338.149590@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com... > > It may not look like it at first, but VB.Net and C# are very very > > similar. If you know vb it's very easy to learn c# and vice versa.... > > > > As a developer you need both courses. Do you really have to choose > > between them? > > > > /Niklas > > > > Andy.I skrev: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, > >> and > >> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning > >> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. > >> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net > >> with > >> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is > >> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on > >> vb.net > >> prorgrammers. > >> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as > >> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I > >> have some good learning books. > >> Please advice > >> > >> /A. > > "Andy.I" <Andy.l@community.nospam> wrote in Ridiculous!news:DF6F6052-D717-47C2-A6AF-577DBC74C515@microsoft.com: > You mean between the C# and Asp.net? This semester I have to choose. > The problem is that the instructor says that the C# cource could be a > bit much since I have no OOP experience (such as Java or C++). VB.Net fully supports OOP, and it's just as necessary to use it in well designed VB.Net programs as it is in C#. It's the task at hand that would make you start thinking about OOP, not the language you're using. Your instructor sounds like one of the "VB is a toy language" brigade. In VB6 he might have had an argument, but in VB.Net he's just wrong. > So if ASP.net can be useful i should take this, and maybe OOP with To be perfectly frank with you, I think what you really need to do is> VB.net next semester instead in paralell with the C# cource? have a look at a couple of tutorials (google for 'em) on VB.Net and C#, and look at how each uses classes. I think what you see there will reassure you... (To be even more frank, you might want to do a few tutorials before going into the course. It's really not an unreasonable expectation for you to have the basics down in either language in a weekend...) Martin. Andy,
Since you are pursuing an education in VB.Net, the logical step would be to move further in that direction by taking the ASP.Net as it will give you a better grounding in how to move from Windows-based programming to ASP programming in Visual Basic. IMHO, this will make you a more valuable VB programmer to a prospective employer by not locking you into a narrow aspect of the VB language. This will also give YOU more options when you finish school. Of course, this is just my own personal opinion and is subject to repudiation and ridicule at any moment without prior notice. :) Gotta LOVE those disclaimers. LOL Good luck in your decision, whichever direction you choose. Show quoteHide quote "Andy.I" <Andy.l@community.nospam> wrote in message news:DF6F6052-D717-47C2-A6AF-577DBC74C515@microsoft.com... > You mean between the C# and Asp.net? This semester I have to choose. > The problem is that the instructor says that the C# cource could be a bit > much since I have no OOP experience (such as Java or C++). > So if ASP.net can be useful i should take this, and maybe OOP with VB.net > next semester instead in paralell with the C# cource? > > /A. > > <niklas.ar***@nordicstation.com> wrote in message > news:1166617069.211338.149590@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com... >> It may not look like it at first, but VB.Net and C# are very very >> similar. If you know vb it's very easy to learn c# and vice versa.... >> >> As a developer you need both courses. Do you really have to choose >> between them? >> >> /Niklas >> >> Andy.I skrev: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, >>> and >>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning >>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. >>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net >>> with >>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is >>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on >>> vb.net >>> prorgrammers. >>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as >>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I >>> have some good learning books. >>> Please advice >>> >>> /A. >> > For what it's worth, I agree with Bruce. You'll learn some VB.Net
that you can then turn around and leverage into VB Winform apps. And there's a lot of ASP jobs out there. Robin S. ---------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Bruce W. Darby" <kra***@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Hq6dnV_Kua_pdRTYnZ2dnUVZ_oupnZ2d@comcast.com... > Andy, > > Since you are pursuing an education in VB.Net, the logical step would > be to move further in that direction by taking the ASP.Net as it will > give you a better grounding in how to move from Windows-based > programming to ASP programming in Visual Basic. IMHO, this will make > you a more valuable VB programmer to a prospective employer by not > locking you into a narrow aspect of the VB language. This will also > give YOU more options when you finish school. Of course, this is just > my own personal opinion and is subject to repudiation and ridicule at > any moment without prior notice. :) Gotta LOVE those disclaimers. LOL > Good luck in your decision, whichever direction you choose. > > "Andy.I" <Andy.l@community.nospam> wrote in message > news:DF6F6052-D717-47C2-A6AF-577DBC74C515@microsoft.com... >> You mean between the C# and Asp.net? This semester I have to choose. >> The problem is that the instructor says that the C# cource could be a >> bit much since I have no OOP experience (such as Java or C++). >> So if ASP.net can be useful i should take this, and maybe OOP with >> VB.net next semester instead in paralell with the C# cource? >> >> /A. >> >> <niklas.ar***@nordicstation.com> wrote in message >> news:1166617069.211338.149590@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com... >>> It may not look like it at first, but VB.Net and C# are very very >>> similar. If you know vb it's very easy to learn c# and vice >>> versa.... >>> >>> As a developer you need both courses. Do you really have to choose >>> between them? >>> >>> /Niklas >>> >>> Andy.I skrev: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>> programmeing, and >>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>>> learning >>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>> terminated. >>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>> ASP.Net with >>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# >>>> is >>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on >>>> vb.net >>>> prorgrammers. >>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same >>>> as >>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>> programming I >>>> have some good learning books. >>>> Please advice >>>> >>>> /A. >>> >> > >
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"Andy.I" <Andy.l@community.nospam> wrote in Hi Andy,news:1C20A4DA-639D-4E2A-96B7-C1054ACFA35A@microsoft.com: > Hi > > I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, > and was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester > learning more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is > terminated. By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a > cource in ASP.Net with vb.net as language of choice. What would be > most benefitial? The C# is targeted on developers with Java/C++ > experience, and the ASP.Net on vb.net prorgrammers. > Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as > Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming > I have some good learning books. > Please advice Personally, I would advise you to look at C#. You're new to programming, and learning a "semi-colon" language would be a good experience for you. As for OOP, whether you work in C# or VB.Net it's all the same idea - same concepts. Don't misunderstand me though, there's no real reason to go in one direction over the other - VB would be perfectly useful for you as well... Martin. Andy
I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual Studio because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I have a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. Good luck with the course. Steve Ray Irwin Andy.I wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Hi > > I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, and > was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning > more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. > By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net with > vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is > targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on vb.net > prorgrammers. > Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as > Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I > have some good learning books. > Please advice > > /A. I heard that as well, plenty of posts in this newgroup as well. It
would'nt surprise me. Peter Master Programmer wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Andy > > I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is very > likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual Studio because > of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I have a friend > at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. > > Good luck with the course. > Steve Ray Irwin > > Andy.I wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, and > > was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning > > more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. > > By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net with > > vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is > > targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on vb.net > > prorgrammers. > > Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as > > Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I > > have some good learning books. > > Please advice > > > > /A. You may have heard it, but it's not true. "Steve Ray Irwin" has heard no
such thing from his "friend." As proved by other posts, he just doesn't like VB.NET, and would like to see it go away. That's all. I have already done some early testing with the next version of Visual Basic (cool new features in it, by the way), so it's pretty clear to me that it exists. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > I heard that as well, plenty of posts in this newgroup as well. It > would'nt surprise me. > > Peter > > Master Programmer wrote: > >> Andy >> >> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is >> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual Studio >> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I have >> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >> >> Good luck with the course. >> Steve Ray Irwin >> Andy.I wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>> programmeing, and >>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>> learning >>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>> terminated. >>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>> ASP.Net with >>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# >>> is >>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on >>> vb.net >>> prorgrammers. >>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same >>> as >>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>> programming I >>> have some good learning books. >>> Please advice >>> /A. >>> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information regarding Vb 9
(Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? Show quoteHide quote "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... > Andy > > I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is very > likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual Studio because > of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I have a friend > at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. > > Good luck with the course. > Steve Ray Irwin > > Andy.I wrote: >> Hi >> >> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, >> and >> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning >> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. >> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net >> with >> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is >> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on >> vb.net >> prorgrammers. >> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as >> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I >> have some good learning books. >> Please advice >> >> /A. > Because it's not going to be discontinued. That guy is
just trolling. He's bitter over his inability to learn new concepts and apply them effectively. Robin S. ----------------------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Andy.I" <Andy.l@community.nospam> wrote in message news:02A5AFC2-B3D9-489F-ACC5-6169BD05D89A@microsoft.com... > If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information regarding Vb > 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? > > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >> Andy >> >> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is >> very >> likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual Studio >> because >> of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I have a friend >> at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >> >> Good luck with the course. >> Steve Ray Irwin >> >> Andy.I wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>> programmeing, and >>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>> learning >>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>> terminated. >>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>> ASP.Net with >>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# >>> is >>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on >>> vb.net >>> prorgrammers. >>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same >>> as >>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>> programming I >>> have some good learning books. >>> Please advice >>> >>> /A. >> > Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still going to
be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and language changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. The Grand Master Andy.I wrote: Show quoteHide quote > If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information regarding Vb 9 > (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? > > "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message > news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... > > Andy > > > > I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is very > > likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual Studio because > > of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I have a friend > > at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. > > > > Good luck with the course. > > Steve Ray Irwin > > > > Andy.I wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net programmeing, > >> and > >> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester learning > >> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is terminated. > >> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in ASP.Net > >> with > >> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# is > >> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on > >> vb.net > >> prorgrammers. > >> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same as > >> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP programming I > >> have some good learning books. > >> Please advice > >> > >> /A. > > There are no syntax features slated for deprecation in the Orcas release.
There are some language changes planned, but they are all additions to existing VB2005 syntax. If you choose not to use the new features, you won't even notice the difference in syntax. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still going to > be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and language > changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. > > The Grand Master > > Andy.I wrote: > >> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information regarding >> Vb 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? >> >> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message >> news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >> >>> Andy >>> >>> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is >>> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual Studio >>> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I have >>> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >>> >>> Good luck with the course. >>> Steve Ray Irwin >>> Andy.I wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>> programmeing, >>>> and >>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>>> learning >>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>> terminated. >>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>> ASP.Net >>>> with >>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The C# >>>> is >>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net on >>>> vb.net >>>> prorgrammers. >>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same >>>> as >>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>> programming I >>>> have some good learning books. >>>> Please advice >>>> /A. >>>> Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about Orcas, and its
impact on the projects I'm working on. Robin S. ----------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message news:e3b469763f7a8c8f33bbc44fcd4@newsgroups.comcast.net... > There are no syntax features slated for deprecation in the Orcas > release. There are some language changes planned, but they are all > additions to existing VB2005 syntax. If you choose not to use the new > features, you won't even notice the difference in syntax. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still going >> to >> be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and language >> changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. >> >> The Grand Master >> >> Andy.I wrote: >> >>> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information regarding >>> Vb 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? >>> >>> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message >>> news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is >>>> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual Studio >>>> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I >>>> have >>>> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >>>> >>>> Good luck with the course. >>>> Steve Ray Irwin >>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>>> programmeing, >>>>> and >>>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>>>> learning >>>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>>> terminated. >>>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>>> ASP.Net >>>>> with >>>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The >>>>> C# >>>>> is >>>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net >>>>> on >>>>> vb.net >>>>> prorgrammers. >>>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the same >>>>> as >>>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>>> programming I >>>>> have some good learning books. >>>>> Please advice >>>>> /A. >>>>> > > I should qualify what I said a little. There will be no deprecated language
features in VB-Orcas, but there haven't been any deprecated language features in any of the VB releases since VB.NET 2002 came out. It's a pretty safe statement to make. Microsoft made their cut of language features when they jumped to .NET. For instance, they removed GoSub/Return at that time. Microsoft has no reason to remove language grammar that they worked hard to included in .NET. (Personally, I would like to see the While/End While statement removed from the language, since it is fully replaced by Do/Loop.) However, there may be "breaking changes" in the .NET Framework classes in the Orcas release timeframe. Microsoft periodically modifies specific class features from release to release, and some of these changes can impact specific programs. You can find lists of these changes on the MSDN web site (http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/programming/breakingchanges/). But they have nothing to do with the VB language. These breaking changes impact both VB and C# equally. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about Orcas, and its impact > on the projects I'm working on. > > Robin S. > ----------------------------- > "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:e3b469763f7a8c8f33bbc44fcd4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >> There are no syntax features slated for deprecation in the Orcas >> release. There are some language changes planned, but they are all >> additions to existing VB2005 syntax. If you choose not to use the new >> features, you won't even notice the difference in syntax. >> >> ----- >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>> Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still going >>> to >>> be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and >>> language >>> changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. >>> The Grand Master >>> >>> Andy.I wrote: >>> >>>> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information regarding >>>> Vb 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? >>>> >>>> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is >>>>> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual >>>>> Studio >>>>> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I >>>>> have >>>>> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >>>>> Good luck with the course. >>>>> Steve Ray Irwin >>>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>>>> programmeing, >>>>>> and >>>>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>>>>> learning >>>>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>>>> terminated. >>>>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>>>> ASP.Net >>>>>> with >>>>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The >>>>>> C# >>>>>> is >>>>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net >>>>>> on >>>>>> vb.net >>>>>> prorgrammers. >>>>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the >>>>>> same >>>>>> as >>>>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>>>> programming I >>>>>> have some good learning books. >>>>>> Please advice >>>>>> /A. Thanks for the clarification. I'll check out the link.
> But they have nothing to do with the VB language. These breaking It's good to see that Microsoft is an Equal-Opportunity Annoyer.> changes impact both VB and C# equally. Robin S. ---------------------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message news:e3b4697640048c8f3be8dcf48a4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >I should qualify what I said a little. There will be no deprecated >language features in VB-Orcas, but there haven't been any deprecated >language features in any of the VB releases since VB.NET 2002 came out. >It's a pretty safe statement to make. Microsoft made their cut of >language features when they jumped to .NET. For instance, they removed >GoSub/Return at that time. Microsoft has no reason to remove language >grammar that they worked hard to included in .NET. (Personally, I would >like to see the While/End While statement removed from the language, >since it is fully replaced by Do/Loop.) > > However, there may be "breaking changes" in the .NET Framework classes > in the Orcas release timeframe. Microsoft periodically modifies > specific class features from release to release, and some of these > changes can impact specific programs. You can find lists of these > changes on the MSDN web site > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/programming/breakingchanges/). > But they have nothing to do with the VB language. These breaking > changes impact both VB and C# equally. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about Orcas, and its impact >> on the projects I'm working on. >> >> Robin S. >> ----------------------------- >> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:e3b469763f7a8c8f33bbc44fcd4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>> There are no syntax features slated for deprecation in the Orcas >>> release. There are some language changes planned, but they are all >>> additions to existing VB2005 syntax. If you choose not to use the >>> new >>> features, you won't even notice the difference in syntax. >>> >>> ----- >>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>> Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still going >>>> to >>>> be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and >>>> language >>>> changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. >>>> The Grand Master >>>> >>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>> >>>>> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information >>>>> regarding >>>>> Vb 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? >>>>> >>>>> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in >>>>> message >>>>> news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET >>>>>> is >>>>>> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual >>>>>> Studio >>>>>> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I >>>>>> have >>>>>> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >>>>>> Good luck with the course. >>>>>> Steve Ray Irwin >>>>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>>>>> programmeing, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>>>>>> learning >>>>>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>>>>> terminated. >>>>>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>>>>> ASP.Net >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The >>>>>>> C# >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> vb.net >>>>>>> prorgrammers. >>>>>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>>>>> programming I >>>>>>> have some good learning books. >>>>>>> Please advice >>>>>>> /A. > > Interestingly enough, that link came up and said it was no longer
available, and I was being redirected to this one http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa570326.aspx which is "Breaking Changes in .Net Framework 2.0." So it's actually diffs between 1.0/1.1 and 2.0. Maybe they will update it when it gets closer to releasing Orcas? Robin S. ----------------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message news:e3b4697640048c8f3be8dcf48a4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >I should qualify what I said a little. There will be no deprecated >language features in VB-Orcas, but there haven't been any deprecated >language features in any of the VB releases since VB.NET 2002 came out. >It's a pretty safe statement to make. Microsoft made their cut of >language features when they jumped to .NET. For instance, they removed >GoSub/Return at that time. Microsoft has no reason to remove language >grammar that they worked hard to included in .NET. (Personally, I would >like to see the While/End While statement removed from the language, >since it is fully replaced by Do/Loop.) > > However, there may be "breaking changes" in the .NET Framework classes > in the Orcas release timeframe. Microsoft periodically modifies > specific class features from release to release, and some of these > changes can impact specific programs. You can find lists of these > changes on the MSDN web site > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/programming/breakingchanges/). > But they have nothing to do with the VB language. These breaking > changes impact both VB and C# equally. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about Orcas, and its impact >> on the projects I'm working on. >> >> Robin S. >> ----------------------------- >> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:e3b469763f7a8c8f33bbc44fcd4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>> There are no syntax features slated for deprecation in the Orcas >>> release. There are some language changes planned, but they are all >>> additions to existing VB2005 syntax. If you choose not to use the >>> new >>> features, you won't even notice the difference in syntax. >>> >>> ----- >>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>> Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still going >>>> to >>>> be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and >>>> language >>>> changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. >>>> The Grand Master >>>> >>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>> >>>>> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information >>>>> regarding >>>>> Vb 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? >>>>> >>>>> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in >>>>> message >>>>> news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET >>>>>> is >>>>>> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual >>>>>> Studio >>>>>> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I >>>>>> have >>>>>> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >>>>>> Good luck with the course. >>>>>> Steve Ray Irwin >>>>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>>>>> programmeing, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>>>>>> learning >>>>>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>>>>> terminated. >>>>>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>>>>> ASP.Net >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The >>>>>>> C# >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> vb.net >>>>>>> prorgrammers. >>>>>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>>>>> programming I >>>>>>> have some good learning books. >>>>>>> Please advice >>>>>>> /A. > > Tim,
I have the idea that a breaking change is for the VB team one of the very important things not to let that happen. I think that they will build direct an upgrade wizard if there is the slightlest change for that. Just my gues Cor Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> schreef in bericht news:e3b4697640048c8f3be8dcf48a4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >I should qualify what I said a little. There will be no deprecated language >features in VB-Orcas, but there haven't been any deprecated language >features in any of the VB releases since VB.NET 2002 came out. It's a >pretty safe statement to make. Microsoft made their cut of language >features when they jumped to .NET. For instance, they removed GoSub/Return >at that time. Microsoft has no reason to remove language grammar that they >worked hard to included in .NET. (Personally, I would like to see the >While/End While statement removed from the language, since it is fully >replaced by Do/Loop.) > > However, there may be "breaking changes" in the .NET Framework classes in > the Orcas release timeframe. Microsoft periodically modifies specific > class features from release to release, and some of these changes can > impact specific programs. You can find lists of these changes on the MSDN > web site > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/programming/breakingchanges/). But > they have nothing to do with the VB language. These breaking changes > impact both VB and C# equally. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about Orcas, and its impact >> on the projects I'm working on. >> >> Robin S. >> ----------------------------- >> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:e3b469763f7a8c8f33bbc44fcd4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>> There are no syntax features slated for deprecation in the Orcas >>> release. There are some language changes planned, but they are all >>> additions to existing VB2005 syntax. If you choose not to use the new >>> features, you won't even notice the difference in syntax. >>> >>> ----- >>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>> Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still going >>>> to >>>> be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and >>>> language >>>> changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. >>>> The Grand Master >>>> >>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>> >>>>> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information regarding >>>>> Vb 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? >>>>> >>>>> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET is >>>>>> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual >>>>>> Studio >>>>>> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I >>>>>> have >>>>>> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >>>>>> Good luck with the course. >>>>>> Steve Ray Irwin >>>>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>>>>> programmeing, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>>>>>> learning >>>>>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>>>>> terminated. >>>>>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>>>>> ASP.Net >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? The >>>>>>> C# >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the ASP.Net >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> vb.net >>>>>>> prorgrammers. >>>>>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>>>>> programming I >>>>>>> have some good learning books. >>>>>>> Please advice >>>>>>> /A. > > When moving from VB2003 to VB2005, some of the breaking changes were marked
with the ObsoleteAttribute (or similar) attribute. Visual Studio recognized this attribute, and displayed a warning or error message on the modified member. They will probably do something similar for any breaking changes in Orcas. Many of the changes are really esoteric and are just to warn you, the programmer. For instance, in that link I posted before, there was a breaking change warning about the Enter and Leave events for controls, stating that those event handers might be called more often in .NET 2.0 than they were in .NET 1.1. There is no upgrade path for this type of change; it's just a warning. P.S. for Robin: Since Orcas is still pre-Beta, there might not be an official public Breaking Changes document at this time. (The document certainly already exists for those under a Non-Disclosure Agreement with Microsoft, but it might not be public yet.) Sorry I didn't make that clear when I posted the link. The documented I mentioned is clearly for 1.1 to 2.0 changes. ----- Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 Show quoteHide quote > Tim, > > I have the idea that a breaking change is for the VB team one of the > very important things not to let that happen. I think that they will > build direct an upgrade wizard if there is the slightlest change for > that. > > Just my gues > > Cor > > "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> schreef in bericht > news:e3b4697640048c8f3be8dcf48a4@newsgroups.comcast.net... > >> I should qualify what I said a little. There will be no deprecated >> language features in VB-Orcas, but there haven't been any deprecated >> language features in any of the VB releases since VB.NET 2002 came >> out. It's a pretty safe statement to make. Microsoft made their cut >> of language features when they jumped to .NET. For instance, they >> removed GoSub/Return at that time. Microsoft has no reason to remove >> language grammar that they worked hard to included in .NET. >> (Personally, I would like to see the While/End While statement >> removed from the language, since it is fully replaced by Do/Loop.) >> >> However, there may be "breaking changes" in the .NET Framework >> classes in the Orcas release timeframe. Microsoft periodically >> modifies specific class features from release to release, and some of >> these changes can impact specific programs. You can find lists of >> these changes on the MSDN web site >> (http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/programming/breakingchanges/) >> . But they have nothing to do with the VB language. These breaking >> changes impact both VB and C# equally. >> >> ----- >> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>> Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about Orcas, and its impact >>> on the projects I'm working on. >>> >>> Robin S. >>> ----------------------------- >>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:e3b469763f7a8c8f33bbc44fcd4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>>> There are no syntax features slated for deprecation in the Orcas >>>> release. There are some language changes planned, but they are all >>>> additions to existing VB2005 syntax. If you choose not to use the >>>> new features, you won't even notice the difference in syntax. >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>>> Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still >>>>> going >>>>> to >>>>> be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and >>>>> language >>>>> changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. >>>>> The Grand Master >>>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information >>>>>> regarding Vb 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? >>>>>> >>>>>> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in >>>>>> message >>>>>> news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Andy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual >>>>>>> Studio >>>>>>> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >>>>>>> Good luck with the course. >>>>>>> Steve Ray Irwin >>>>>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>>>>>> programmeing, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next semester >>>>>>>> learning >>>>>>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>>>>>> terminated. >>>>>>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>>>>>> ASP.Net >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> C# >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the >>>>>>>> ASP.Net >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> vb.net >>>>>>>> prorgrammers. >>>>>>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>>>>>> programming I >>>>>>>> have some good learning books. >>>>>>>> Please advice >>>>>>>> /A. Thanks; I'll wait until next summer. Or fall. Or winter...
Well, whenever Orcas finally makes its debut. Robin S. -------------------- Show quoteHide quote "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message news:e3b4697640308c8f3decb24cf92@newsgroups.comcast.net... > When moving from VB2003 to VB2005, some of the breaking changes were > marked with the ObsoleteAttribute (or similar) attribute. Visual > Studio recognized this attribute, and displayed a warning or error > message on the modified member. They will probably do something > similar for any breaking changes in Orcas. Many of the changes are > really esoteric and are just to warn you, the programmer. For > instance, in that link I posted before, there was a breaking change > warning about the Enter and Leave events for controls, stating that > those event handers might be called more often in .NET 2.0 than they > were in .NET 1.1. There is no upgrade path for this type of change; > it's just a warning. > > P.S. for Robin: Since Orcas is still pre-Beta, there might not be an > official public Breaking Changes document at this time. (The document > certainly already exists for those under a Non-Disclosure Agreement > with Microsoft, but it might not be public yet.) Sorry I didn't make > that clear when I posted the link. The documented I mentioned is > clearly for 1.1 to 2.0 changes. > > ----- > Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com > Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 > >> Tim, >> >> I have the idea that a breaking change is for the VB team one of the >> very important things not to let that happen. I think that they will >> build direct an upgrade wizard if there is the slightlest change for >> that. >> >> Just my gues >> >> Cor >> >> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> schreef in bericht >> news:e3b4697640048c8f3be8dcf48a4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >> >>> I should qualify what I said a little. There will be no deprecated >>> language features in VB-Orcas, but there haven't been any deprecated >>> language features in any of the VB releases since VB.NET 2002 came >>> out. It's a pretty safe statement to make. Microsoft made their cut >>> of language features when they jumped to .NET. For instance, they >>> removed GoSub/Return at that time. Microsoft has no reason to remove >>> language grammar that they worked hard to included in .NET. >>> (Personally, I would like to see the While/End While statement >>> removed from the language, since it is fully replaced by Do/Loop.) >>> >>> However, there may be "breaking changes" in the .NET Framework >>> classes in the Orcas release timeframe. Microsoft periodically >>> modifies specific class features from release to release, and some >>> of >>> these changes can impact specific programs. You can find lists of >>> these changes on the MSDN web site >>> (http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/programming/breakingchanges/) >>> . But they have nothing to do with the VB language. These breaking >>> changes impact both VB and C# equally. >>> >>> ----- >>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>> Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about Orcas, and its >>>> impact >>>> on the projects I'm working on. >>>> >>>> Robin S. >>>> ----------------------------- >>>> "Tim Patrick" <inva***@invalid.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:e3b469763f7a8c8f33bbc44fcd4@newsgroups.comcast.net... >>>>> There are no syntax features slated for deprecation in the Orcas >>>>> release. There are some language changes planned, but they are all >>>>> additions to existing VB2005 syntax. If you choose not to use the >>>>> new features, you won't even notice the difference in syntax. >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com >>>>> Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005 >>>>>> Yes, thats the replacement for the VB.NET language. Its still >>>>>> going >>>>>> to >>>>>> be called VB (like last time) but there are major syntax and >>>>>> language >>>>>> changes planned..... making the current language obsolete. >>>>>> The Grand Master >>>>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If Vb.net is to be discontinued, why is it so information >>>>>>> regarding Vb 9 (Orcas) on the VB site at MSDN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Master Programmer" <master_program***@outgun.com> wrote in >>>>>>> message >>>>>>> news:1166690536.600841.83070@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would just learn C#. Its pretty common knowledge that VB.NET >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> very likely to be discontinued in the next release of Visual >>>>>>>> Studio >>>>>>>> because of the lack of interest in it. I can confirm this as I >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> a friend at Microsoft that mentioned it to me. >>>>>>>> Good luck with the course. >>>>>>>> Steve Ray Irwin >>>>>>>> Andy.I wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've just finished a collegue cource in beginning Vb.net >>>>>>>>> programmeing, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> was supposed to take an advanced cource in VB.net next >>>>>>>>> semester >>>>>>>>> learning >>>>>>>>> more abour object oriented programming. But this cource is >>>>>>>>> terminated. >>>>>>>>> By options now is to either take a cource in C# or a cource in >>>>>>>>> ASP.Net >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> vb.net as language of choice. What would be most benefitial? >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> C# >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> targeted on developers with Java/C++ experience, and the >>>>>>>>> ASP.Net >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> vb.net >>>>>>>>> prorgrammers. >>>>>>>>> Are there any drawbacks with ASP.Net? I realise it is not the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> Windows development, but I will learn mote VB, and for OOP >>>>>>>>> programming I >>>>>>>>> have some good learning books. >>>>>>>>> Please advice >>>>>>>>> /A. > > 
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