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Author
29 Dec 2006 11:42 PM
RobinS
Hello to all, and happy new year!

I have this application that someone wrote that I'm
sort of checking out. The forms look fine in design
mode, but when I run the application, it crops off
the bottom of almost every form. I haven't figured
out yet if there's a pattern to it. I compared two
forms -- one that looks okay and one that gets cropped,
and aside from the size and the accept button and
the cancel button, their properties are identical.
I don't see anything in the code that is modifying
the size of the form, either.

The forms are all displayed as dialogs, if that matters.

Has anybody seen something like this before, or
do you have any ideas how I can figure out how to
fix it?

I talked to the original author of the application,
and it looks fine on his screen and on other people's
screens who have looked at the application.

I'd appreciate any advice you can offer me.
BTW, I'm using VB2005.

Thanks in advance,
Robin S.

Author
30 Dec 2006 12:01 AM
Stephany Young
Maybe you should have asked Santa for a nice brand spanking new monitor :)

Seriously though ...

What happens if you plug another monitor into your computer? If it still
happens then it would be more likely to be a problem with your video card
than your monitor.

You might want to try tweaking whatever video card and/or monitor settings
you can find - like refresh rate etc.

Apart from that it's like 'how long is a piece of string?'.


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"RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
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> Hello to all, and happy new year!
>
> I have this application that someone wrote that I'm
> sort of checking out. The forms look fine in design
> mode, but when I run the application, it crops off
> the bottom of almost every form. I haven't figured
> out yet if there's a pattern to it. I compared two
> forms -- one that looks okay and one that gets cropped,
> and aside from the size and the accept button and
> the cancel button, their properties are identical.
> I don't see anything in the code that is modifying
> the size of the form, either.
>
> The forms are all displayed as dialogs, if that matters.
>
> Has anybody seen something like this before, or
> do you have any ideas how I can figure out how to
> fix it?
>
> I talked to the original author of the application,
> and it looks fine on his screen and on other people's
> screens who have looked at the application.
>
> I'd appreciate any advice you can offer me.
> BTW, I'm using VB2005.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Robin S.
>
Author
30 Dec 2006 12:57 AM
RobinS
Darn, I was hoping that would help, but it didn't. My laptop's
resolution is 1400x1050. It does an extended desktop onto my
second (20.1") monitor that is 1680x1050. It displays the same
way on both monitors.

Here's a weird thing: it doesn't do it on applications that *I* develop.

Here's a weirder thing: I created a new form, set the size to the
same as his. Then I copied all of his controls onto my new form,
then copied all of the code-behind that he had written into my new
form, and made sure all of the [size] and [location] information for
the form and controls matched. Then I changed the other code to call
my form instead of his, and it looks fine.

I compared the Designer.vb files, and the size of all the controls
is different (even though I copied his and pasted them into mine).
And as for the form settings, the AutoScaleDimensions and ClientSize
are different. All of the sizes in the properties and controls for
both forms is the same; it's only different in the generated code.

After mucking around with it, I found if I move a control on the
screen, or change anything on the screen (even if I change it back)
and then save the form, it regenerates the Designer.vb file and
the AutoScaleDimensions goes from (6.0!, 13.0!) to (8.0!, 16.0!).
And the client size changes (634, 455) to (845, 560).

Note that none of the properties displayed for the form in
design mode have changed.

(insert Twilight Zone music here)

Is there some way to regenerate the designer.vb files other than
changing each form (there are a lot of them)? (Rebuilding the
solution doesn't do it, in case you're wondering).

Does this mean if I want to deploy an application on a computer
with a higher resolution than mine, I will have to handle the
sizing in the code?

Can I now justify buying a 30" monitor? Or should I just hook
my laptop up to my 42" plasma monitor/tv? Wow. Just think of the
real estate. Hmmmm.

Robin S.
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"Stephany Young" <noone@localhost> wrote in message
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> Maybe you should have asked Santa for a nice brand spanking new
> monitor :)
>
> Seriously though ...
>
> What happens if you plug another monitor into your computer? If it
> still happens then it would be more likely to be a problem with your
> video card than your monitor.
>
> You might want to try tweaking whatever video card and/or monitor
> settings you can find - like refresh rate etc.
>
> Apart from that it's like 'how long is a piece of string?'.
>
>
> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
> news:KP6dnRUGup9zOgjYnZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Hello to all, and happy new year!
>>
>> I have this application that someone wrote that I'm
>> sort of checking out. The forms look fine in design
>> mode, but when I run the application, it crops off
>> the bottom of almost every form. I haven't figured
>> out yet if there's a pattern to it. I compared two
>> forms -- one that looks okay and one that gets cropped,
>> and aside from the size and the accept button and
>> the cancel button, their properties are identical.
>> I don't see anything in the code that is modifying
>> the size of the form, either.
>>
>> The forms are all displayed as dialogs, if that matters.
>>
>> Has anybody seen something like this before, or
>> do you have any ideas how I can figure out how to
>> fix it?
>>
>> I talked to the original author of the application,
>> and it looks fine on his screen and on other people's
>> screens who have looked at the application.
>>
>> I'd appreciate any advice you can offer me.
>> BTW, I'm using VB2005.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Robin S.
>>
>
>
Author
30 Dec 2006 1:46 AM
Stephany Young
Damn ... Lucian got in before I did ...

Yes, it will be ye olde 'Large Fonts'. Note that 560 pixels wide is
approximately 125% of 455 pixels wide and also that 120 dpi is 125% of 96
dpi.

Have a look at the AutoScaleMode property of the form and have a read up on
that property in the documentation.


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"RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
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> Darn, I was hoping that would help, but it didn't. My laptop's
> resolution is 1400x1050. It does an extended desktop onto my
> second (20.1") monitor that is 1680x1050. It displays the same
> way on both monitors.
>
> Here's a weird thing: it doesn't do it on applications that *I* develop.
>
> Here's a weirder thing: I created a new form, set the size to the
> same as his. Then I copied all of his controls onto my new form,
> then copied all of the code-behind that he had written into my new
> form, and made sure all of the [size] and [location] information for
> the form and controls matched. Then I changed the other code to call
> my form instead of his, and it looks fine.
>
> I compared the Designer.vb files, and the size of all the controls
> is different (even though I copied his and pasted them into mine).
> And as for the form settings, the AutoScaleDimensions and ClientSize
> are different. All of the sizes in the properties and controls for
> both forms is the same; it's only different in the generated code.
>
> After mucking around with it, I found if I move a control on the
> screen, or change anything on the screen (even if I change it back)
> and then save the form, it regenerates the Designer.vb file and
> the AutoScaleDimensions goes from (6.0!, 13.0!) to (8.0!, 16.0!).
> And the client size changes (634, 455) to (845, 560).
>
> Note that none of the properties displayed for the form in
> design mode have changed.
>
> (insert Twilight Zone music here)
>
> Is there some way to regenerate the designer.vb files other than
> changing each form (there are a lot of them)? (Rebuilding the
> solution doesn't do it, in case you're wondering).
>
> Does this mean if I want to deploy an application on a computer
> with a higher resolution than mine, I will have to handle the
> sizing in the code?
>
> Can I now justify buying a 30" monitor? Or should I just hook
> my laptop up to my 42" plasma monitor/tv? Wow. Just think of the
> real estate. Hmmmm.
>
> Robin S.
> ---------------------------
>
> "Stephany Young" <noone@localhost> wrote in message
> news:e6LHqW6KHHA.3560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Maybe you should have asked Santa for a nice brand spanking new monitor
>> :)
>>
>> Seriously though ...
>>
>> What happens if you plug another monitor into your computer? If it still
>> happens then it would be more likely to be a problem with your video card
>> than your monitor.
>>
>> You might want to try tweaking whatever video card and/or monitor
>> settings you can find - like refresh rate etc.
>>
>> Apart from that it's like 'how long is a piece of string?'.
>>
>>
>> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
>> news:KP6dnRUGup9zOgjYnZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Hello to all, and happy new year!
>>>
>>> I have this application that someone wrote that I'm
>>> sort of checking out. The forms look fine in design
>>> mode, but when I run the application, it crops off
>>> the bottom of almost every form. I haven't figured
>>> out yet if there's a pattern to it. I compared two
>>> forms -- one that looks okay and one that gets cropped,
>>> and aside from the size and the accept button and
>>> the cancel button, their properties are identical.
>>> I don't see anything in the code that is modifying
>>> the size of the form, either.
>>>
>>> The forms are all displayed as dialogs, if that matters.
>>>
>>> Has anybody seen something like this before, or
>>> do you have any ideas how I can figure out how to
>>> fix it?
>>>
>>> I talked to the original author of the application,
>>> and it looks fine on his screen and on other people's
>>> screens who have looked at the application.
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any advice you can offer me.
>>> BTW, I'm using VB2005.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Robin S.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
30 Dec 2006 8:12 AM
RobinS
Those damn fonts, they get you every time. I will
look up the AutoScaleMode. Thanks for the pointer!

Robin S.
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"Stephany Young" <noone@localhost> wrote in message
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> Damn ... Lucian got in before I did ...
>
> Yes, it will be ye olde 'Large Fonts'. Note that 560 pixels wide is
> approximately 125% of 455 pixels wide and also that 120 dpi is 125% of
> 96 dpi.
>
> Have a look at the AutoScaleMode property of the form and have a read
> up on that property in the documentation.
>
>
> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
> news:GrudnSjCUv4UJAjYnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Darn, I was hoping that would help, but it didn't. My laptop's
>> resolution is 1400x1050. It does an extended desktop onto my
>> second (20.1") monitor that is 1680x1050. It displays the same
>> way on both monitors.
>>
>> Here's a weird thing: it doesn't do it on applications that *I*
>> develop.
>>
>> Here's a weirder thing: I created a new form, set the size to the
>> same as his. Then I copied all of his controls onto my new form,
>> then copied all of the code-behind that he had written into my new
>> form, and made sure all of the [size] and [location] information for
>> the form and controls matched. Then I changed the other code to call
>> my form instead of his, and it looks fine.
>>
>> I compared the Designer.vb files, and the size of all the controls
>> is different (even though I copied his and pasted them into mine).
>> And as for the form settings, the AutoScaleDimensions and ClientSize
>> are different. All of the sizes in the properties and controls for
>> both forms is the same; it's only different in the generated code.
>>
>> After mucking around with it, I found if I move a control on the
>> screen, or change anything on the screen (even if I change it back)
>> and then save the form, it regenerates the Designer.vb file and
>> the AutoScaleDimensions goes from (6.0!, 13.0!) to (8.0!, 16.0!).
>> And the client size changes (634, 455) to (845, 560).
>>
>> Note that none of the properties displayed for the form in
>> design mode have changed.
>>
>> (insert Twilight Zone music here)
>>
>> Is there some way to regenerate the designer.vb files other than
>> changing each form (there are a lot of them)? (Rebuilding the
>> solution doesn't do it, in case you're wondering).
>>
>> Does this mean if I want to deploy an application on a computer
>> with a higher resolution than mine, I will have to handle the
>> sizing in the code?
>>
>> Can I now justify buying a 30" monitor? Or should I just hook
>> my laptop up to my 42" plasma monitor/tv? Wow. Just think of the
>> real estate. Hmmmm.
>>
>> Robin S.
>> ---------------------------
>>
>> "Stephany Young" <noone@localhost> wrote in message
>> news:e6LHqW6KHHA.3560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Maybe you should have asked Santa for a nice brand spanking new
>>> monitor :)
>>>
>>> Seriously though ...
>>>
>>> What happens if you plug another monitor into your computer? If it
>>> still happens then it would be more likely to be a problem with your
>>> video card than your monitor.
>>>
>>> You might want to try tweaking whatever video card and/or monitor
>>> settings you can find - like refresh rate etc.
>>>
>>> Apart from that it's like 'how long is a piece of string?'.
>>>
>>>
>>> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
>>> news:KP6dnRUGup9zOgjYnZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Hello to all, and happy new year!
>>>>
>>>> I have this application that someone wrote that I'm
>>>> sort of checking out. The forms look fine in design
>>>> mode, but when I run the application, it crops off
>>>> the bottom of almost every form. I haven't figured
>>>> out yet if there's a pattern to it. I compared two
>>>> forms -- one that looks okay and one that gets cropped,
>>>> and aside from the size and the accept button and
>>>> the cancel button, their properties are identical.
>>>> I don't see anything in the code that is modifying
>>>> the size of the form, either.
>>>>
>>>> The forms are all displayed as dialogs, if that matters.
>>>>
>>>> Has anybody seen something like this before, or
>>>> do you have any ideas how I can figure out how to
>>>> fix it?
>>>>
>>>> I talked to the original author of the application,
>>>> and it looks fine on his screen and on other people's
>>>> screens who have looked at the application.
>>>>
>>>> I'd appreciate any advice you can offer me.
>>>> BTW, I'm using VB2005.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Robin S.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
30 Dec 2006 7:21 AM
Bruce W. Darby
"RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
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> Can I now justify buying a 30" monitor? Or should I just hook
> my laptop up to my 42" plasma monitor/tv? Wow. Just think of the
> real estate. Hmmmm.
>
> Robin S.

Hook your laptop up to your TV and send me the 20" monitor????? :) DOH!!!
Author
30 Dec 2006 8:14 AM
RobinS
"Bruce W. Darby" <kra***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
> news:GrudnSjCUv4UJAjYnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Can I now justify buying a 30" monitor? Or should I just hook
>> my laptop up to my 42" plasma monitor/tv? Wow. Just think of the
>> real estate. Hmmmm.
>>
>> Robin S.
>
> Hook your laptop up to your TV and send me the 20" monitor????? :)
> DOH!!!

That sounds like a great idea! You have to pay the shipping, though,
which will be $250. Paypal or cashier's check?

LOL,
Robin S.
Author
30 Dec 2006 8:34 AM
Bruce W. Darby
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"RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce W. Darby" <kra***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
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> That sounds like a great idea! You have to pay the shipping, though,
> which will be $250. Paypal or cashier's check?
>
> LOL,
> Robin S.

Only $250.00??? A steal at any price.... uh.... checks in the mail????
hehehehe
Author
30 Dec 2006 4:41 PM
RobinS
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"Bruce W. Darby" <kra***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Bruce W. Darby" <kra***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
>>> news:GrudnSjCUv4UJAjYnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>> That sounds like a great idea! You have to pay the shipping, though,
>> which will be $250. Paypal or cashier's check?
>>
>> LOL,
>> Robin S.
>
> Only $250.00??? A steal at any price.... uh.... checks in the mail????
> hehehehe

If you live in the USA, you, too, can shop at Costco!

I'll ship it as soon as the check clears. LOL.

(Then I can buy a 24" one!)

Robin S.
Author
30 Dec 2006 1:24 AM
Lucian Wischik
"RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote:
>I have this application that someone wrote that I'm
>sort of checking out. The forms look fine in design
>mode, but when I run the application, it crops off
>the bottom of almost every form.

I wonder if it has to do with
Display>Properties>Settings>Advanced>Fonts (120dpi/96dpi) ?

They're a common reason for dialogs to look wrong on different
systems.

--
Lucian
Author
30 Dec 2006 1:36 AM
RobinS
Well, I do have my fonts set to 120dpi because my monitor
is so resolute (so to speak). I reset them to 96dpi
and you're right, it did fix the forms. Of course,
now I can't read any of it, because the letters are 2mm
high, but gosh darn it, all the controls show up on the
screen. Thank you!

Robin S.
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"Lucian Wischik" <lu***@wischik.com> wrote in message
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> "RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote:
>>I have this application that someone wrote that I'm
>>sort of checking out. The forms look fine in design
>>mode, but when I run the application, it crops off
>>the bottom of almost every form.
>
> I wonder if it has to do with
> Display>Properties>Settings>Advanced>Fonts (120dpi/96dpi) ?
>
> They're a common reason for dialogs to look wrong on different
> systems.
>
> --
> Lucian