Hello all,

Is it possible to change the names of OK and Cancel in input box ???

Thanks to all

Yes,

That is done according to your culture settings

I don't know what it is in your culture

Cor


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Show quote Hide quote I am getting german Ok and cancel..i want to get in english

friend wrote:
Install an English OS version.


Armin

Micro$oft don't make an English OS version, although they still insist on
charging people living in England a massive premium for what they pretend is
an English version but which is really a standard American version.

Mike

Yep, that's true:

The Old New Thing : Why isn't there a separate British English version of
Windows?
<URL:http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/06/08/9705183.aspx>

The general consensus there is that Micro$oft didn't bother to make an
English version of Windoze because they wanted to spend their money making
versions for countries which would otherwise be locked out of a fully usable
(to them) version rather than waste money (as they saw it) making a version
for a country with a language that was already mutually intelligible with
American English? So why are charging us here in England a massive premium
for something they have not actually done! And why are they doing 'under the
counter' and legally questionable deals with people like Amazon in order to
keep it that way! Mind you, I suppose it's what you can expect from a
company that does busines like this . . .

http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/government-law/public-sector/news/index.cfm?newsid=6124&pn=1

Mike

American English is the English version.  No one talks British English but
the British.
If the English version costs so much more in England, maybe you should buy a
copy on a trip to the USA.


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No its not. That's the American version.

You might just as well say no one talks German but the Germans!

Right, so I'll travel all the way over to America in order to buy a copy of
Windoze! Is that what you suggest everybody should do? What an idiotic
response!

Mike

American is English.
At last count, 96% of Americans speak English.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language
Microsoft is an American company.
What major differences are there between American English and BBC English
which would pertain to Windows?
How many languages are there in the world?
How many languages is Windows published in?
How many dialects do you expect Windows to handle?

British English is not a different language from American English.  It's a
different dialect.  There are various dialects of German as well, and I
would expect software to normally only handle the most widely used one.

Should I expect to pay the same for a German made car in America that I
would pay in Germany?  You wouldn't pay the same for a medicine in America
that you would pay in Canada.  Cigarettes in America are still far cheaper
than they are in Europe.  Prices normally vary by country for various
reasons such as shipping costs, taxes, exchange rates, government subsidies,
and legal fees imposed by countries on companies or industries.

Really?

I don't care how many languages or dialects it handles. That's not my
concern. But I do expect it to be in the language of the person they are
selling it to, especially if they charge a premium for it as they most
certainly do here in England.

Well actually I'd say that American is a different dialect of English.

That's fine, as long as you don't charge extra for a dialect you are not
supporting!

Copies of Windows sold in England are not made in America. They are made in
Ireland. It costs the equivalent of about 50 cents to ship a copy from
Ireland to England, and in any case they are sold at a premium even in
Ireland, where they are made! Micro$oft are just ripping us off.

Mike

There isn't an official language in the USA nationwide, but if you see a
language selection that says USA it is English, to show the difference where
sometimes British English is supported.  I don't know the difference between
the two, other than American language doesn't use goofy words like bangers.

You just agreed with me and contradicted yourself.  American English and
British BBC English are dialects of English.  What language are you forced
to buy?  Are you expecting their OS to be in the language of the person
they're selling it to, or in the dialect of the person they're selling it
to?
Odd that you "quoted" me but snipped out half of my message.  I'll repeat
one of the questions you ignored.  What major differences are there between
American English and BBC English which would pertain to Windows?

This doesn't make any sense.  Are they selling you a BBC English version and
not supporting it?
I think you meant to say they're charging you extra for the supported
dialect and they didn't bother to rewrite it in your dialect.

You snipped out the key part.  I'll repeat to see if you can get it in your
thick skull.
"Prices normally vary by country for various reasons such as shipping costs,
taxes, exchange rates, government subsidies, and legal fees imposed by
countries on companies or industries."
Last I heard, Microsoft is charging fees for software sold in all European
countries to cover costs of the antitrust lawsuits Europe attacked them
with.
Are your cigarettes made in Ireland too?  Why are cigarettes $4/pack in the
USA and $9/pack in Europe?
government imposed fees.  lawsuit fees.  Companies cover costs.  Come to
America to buy stuff or deal with it.

No I didn't. Perhaps my statement was a little bit too subtle for you?
English is the language (British English as you might call it over there)
and American English is the dialect.

That's because some of what you said was rubbish.

The spelling of many of the words is incorrect. For example "Windows Color
and Appearance" is not English.

I'm not forced to buy and language version of Windows. I can buy whichever
version I choose, or I can buy none at all. It is up to me.

That depends on how much they are charging me for it and on what excuses
they are using for overcharging. Micro$oft have used many excuses for their
habit of grossly overcharging people living in countries other than America
and one of the excuses that they have rolled out regularly is the cost of
converting the standard American version into local languages. Since my own
language, English, is very similar to the native language of America then if
they were not overcharging me on those grounds I would happily accept an
American English version. However, they ARE overcharging me on those grounds
and so I expect what I paid all that extra money for, a version converted
into real English!

Yes it does.

Of course not. They are not selling me an English version at all. But they
ARE attempting to charge me extra for an American version and they are
pretending that the reason they need to charge me extra is to cover the cost
of producing local versions, which as far as English people is concerned is
a lie because in our case they are NOT producing a local version! All I am
asking for is what they are telling me they are charging me for! If they
want to sell me the American version then that's fine, and I would happily
accept it for what it is, were it not for the fact that I am being
overcharged and lied to.

By the way, I used the word "selling" very loosely because Micro$oft have
not actually sold anything to me for a great many years, and they will not
sell anything to me in the future. The last version of Windows I bought was
the copy of Win98 that was installed in a PC I purchased many years ago, and
it is the last Microsoft product I will ever buy.

Actually they are /not/ $9 per pack in many European countries, although
they are the equivalent of about $8 or $9 per pack in England. But you
obviously alreayd know the reason why such price differences exist and so I
can only assume that you are asking the question in your attempt to cloud
the issue. In America the tax on cigarettes is about $1 per pack whereas in
England the tax is more than $6.50 per pack. But the similar reasons cannot
possibly account for the huge amount we are being overcharged for Micro$oft
products over here. The tax on software here is 17.5 per cent, which I think
is not massively different than the total of the various taxes on software
in America and which in any case cannot account for more than a tiny
fraction of the huge amount that Micro$oft are overcharging!

Perhaps I should think about moving to Nigeria, where the corporate
gangsters not only provide cheap copies of Windows but in fact more than
give them away, and 'make you an offer you can't refuse' by stealing the
non-microsoft OS that you have already paid for so that they can forcibly
and illegally foist a copy of Windows on you whether you want it or not!

http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/government-law/public-sector/news/index.cfm?newsid=6124&pn=1

Mike

Again with the random snipping, making your post sound like complete
rubbish, so I have to paste in the appropriate quotes from the previous post
so it makes sense..

Show quoteHide quoteAre you talking about yourself or someone from another country?  You say "I
do expect it to be in the language of the person they are selling it to".
Then you say "American is a different dialect of English".  You say they're
selling you an American version, so they're selling you an English version,
so if you're not contradicting yourself then you're complaining that they're
doing what you expect them to do (or talking about someone else looking for
it in a different language?).
The fact they don't make a version in your dialect is beside the point,
though I don't know much about the BBC English (and you refuse to point out
what major differences there are between the dialects which would directly
relate to the OS), it sounds like you're arguing they don't use the goofy
old spelling (color instead of colour).

Most of what you're saying sounds like rubbish but I'm still attempting to
understand and provide an answer.

Color/Colour?  What else is wrong with that?  Is it hard to interpret or
just frustrating you to see it spelled the simpler American way?

"forced to buy" was just a reference to your previous assertion that you
"expect it to be in the language of the person they are selling it to".  I
was assuming you were referring to yourself as the "person they are selling
it to" and to English as your language and wondering what language(s) are
available for you to buy if not English, since we've already established
that American and British/BBC are just different dialects of the English
language.

Show quoteHide quoteDo you have a link to a statement from Microsoft saying they charge more for
an American English language OS in England than in America because they're
"converting it to your local language"?  England is part of Europe.  I
always heard they charge more for all of their products in all of Europe to
cover the cost of the antitrust lawsuits they get over there.

How can they charge extra for something they're not selling?  I'd like to
see a reference to where you heard that.  It sounds like you're saying MS is
like a car company that makes cars with the steering wheel on the left side
and you would like one on the right side instead so they're going to charge
you extra for one with the wheel on the left side.  Either that or you're
saying they are providing a British dialect version and they won't help you
if you have any problems with it?  I thought you established that they're
only offering an American dialect version.

Show quoteHide quoteWhy are you bothering to complain about software you're running without a
license?

Show quoteHide quoteYou're the one attempting to cloud issues.  I'm trying to make sense of it.
17.5% tax would explain the difference.  The only "software tax" I'm aware
of in the USA is our sales tax which varies by state.  In my state that's
6%.  Our tax is not applied to the base price.  Is yours?  If not, if you're
saying the base price is higher in England, that would be from MS passing on
the fees on their end, such as legal fees (to include the antitrust suits)
and production fees (such as a property tax on their Ireland factory).

Maybe you should move to China.  They have plenty of pirates who can get you
any software super cheap.  I hear they sell pirated copies of DVD movies for
$1 before the movies are even in theaters.  Of course if you want overall
cheap living move someplace like Iraq where I hear the cost of living is
about $500USD/year.

Myself.

Both of those statements are true. Saying that I do expect it to be in the
/language/ of the person they are selling it to does NOT necessarily mean
that I do not also expect it to be in the required /dialect/. I might
require one or both of those things, depending on the circumstances.

I expect a copy of Windoze to be in my own language, and if a translation is
required from American English then I am happy to pay a premium for the
service. So if for example I lived in Germany and I wanted a German version
of Windoze then I would expect to be charged a premium for it (although not
such an exorbitantly large premium as Micro$oft are actually charging). So
in such a case I would expect it to be in my own language (German in this
example).

However, if I live in England (as I do) and I want an English version of
Windoze and if Micro$oft still insist on forcing me to pay a similar premium
for it then I expect it not to merely be in English but to be in British
English and NOT in American English. If Micro$oft provide me with an
American English version then they should not charge me extra on the grounds
of localisation, since they have not localised it. Therefore in order to get
what they are expecting me to pay for I expect them to convert it to British
English. To fail to do so and yet to still charge me a premium which is at
least in part intended to cover localisation would be dishonest, but then
dishonesty is a Micro$oft trademark so I suppose I should not be surprised!

You can call it goofy if you wish, but it is the correct English spelling of
the word colour. If Micro$oft charge me a premium for Windoze and if they or
anyone else tell me that part of that premium is to cover the cost of
localisation, and if they have not been required to perform a language
translation then yes, of course I expect the spellings to be correct Bitish
English. They have not been required to convert into my own language, since
it was already in a dialect of English, and if they also fail to convert it
into British English then they have dishonestly charged me a premium for
something they have not actually done.

I notice that you have not responded at all to my comments about Micro$oft's
corporate ganster activities in Nigeria . . .

http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/government-law/public-sector/news/index.cfm?newsid=6124&pn=1

.. . . although you are obviously a Micro$oft stooge I would expect you to
even attempt to defend their activities there, so perhaps it is time to
completely ignore you.

Mike

Show quote Hide quote So,
1) You don't think it's enough that they provide a version in the language
of every country they sell a copy in, but they should translate to the
dialects too, that if the major language of every country in the middle east
is arabic but each country primarily uses a different dialect they should
all get their own translation paid for by MS?
2) You still haven't provided the link to where MS said the cost difference
between America and England is primarily due to translations, though I've
given you other possible reasons.

I don't know what "gangster activities in Nigeria" might have to do with the
cost of Windows.  I certainly wouldn't defend MS.
If you want to discuss the cost of Windows in Nigeria there's a whole
separate set of issues.

That is NOT what I said, and you know very well it is not. You are a liar,
Eric. I actually said:

    "If Micro$oft provide me with an American English version
     then they should not charge me extra on the grounds of
     localisation, since they have not localised it. Therefore in
     order to get what they are expecting me to pay for I
     expect them to convert it to British English".

The above is quite different to what you accused me of saying. You are a
liar. This thread is therefore at an end as far as I am concerned. I do not
wish to converse with a liar.

Mike

Mike -

Actually, most of the English-speaking world speaks British English, not
American English.  You need to get out more.

Martin


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You sound confused.
1) Mike was arguing FOR British English.
2) Most of the English speaking world speaks American English.
According to the Wikipedia chart
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language), the USA is #1 for English
speakers and has more than the #2, 3, and 4 countries combined (including
UK).  Add to that the #5-6 countries (Philippines, Canada), and the rapidly
growing English speaking population of China, which would also favor
American English and it's by far the primary dialect.

Eric,

They forget that Shakespeare was from a city near Birmingham Alabama

Cor

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