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where will the experts go when ms deletes this ng?I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group
of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to? On 5/17/2010 5:32 PM, mp wrote:
> I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group I'm no expert, but I frequent this group. For what it's worth, I've > of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to? > > been looking at the MSDN Forums at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads. The web interface is dreck in my opinion, but using the "Microsoft Forums NNTP Bridge" makes it work with nntp clients pretty well. -- Mike Mike,
Did you tweak the webinterface a little bit, you can change things in your settings. As it start, it is like you wrote, but setting it to threaded view makes it much better. However, I still miss a view, which shows me only the headers in a threaded view, like in newsgroups. On the other hand becomes the possibility to show only your own threads every day better. Cor Show quoteHide quote "Family Tree Mike" <FamilyTreeM***@ThisOldHouse.com> wrote in message news:e6qrr4i9KHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > On 5/17/2010 5:32 PM, mp wrote: >> I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this >> group >> of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to? >> >> > > I'm no expert, but I frequent this group. For what it's worth, I've been > looking at the MSDN Forums at > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads. The web > interface is dreck in my opinion, but using the "Microsoft Forums NNTP > Bridge" makes it work with nntp clients pretty well. > > -- > Mike
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"Cor Ligthert[MVP]" wrote: No, I didn't try the treaded view option, but will give it a go this > Mike, > > Did you tweak the webinterface a little bit, you can change things in your > settings. > > As it start, it is like you wrote, but setting it to threaded view makes it > much better. > > However, I still miss a view, which shows me only the headers in a threaded > view, like in newsgroups. > > On the other hand becomes the possibility to show only your own threads > every day better. > > Cor > > "Family Tree Mike" <FamilyTreeM***@ThisOldHouse.com> wrote in message > news:e6qrr4i9KHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > On 5/17/2010 5:32 PM, mp wrote: > >> I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this > >> group > >> of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to? > >> > >> > > > > I'm no expert, but I frequent this group. For what it's worth, I've been > > looking at the MSDN Forums at > > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads. The web > > interface is dreck in my opinion, but using the "Microsoft Forums NNTP > > Bridge" makes it work with nntp clients pretty well. > > > > -- > > Mike > > . > evening. The bridge gives me the threaded views, and lets me more easily track the threads I care about, it seems. Maybe I'm just too much of an old timer for the "web way"... Mike Hi Mike,
Family Tree Mike wrote: > No, I didn't try the treaded view option, but will give it a go this concerning the threads you're interested in, I particularly like the "My> evening. The bridge gives me the threaded views, and lets me more easily > track the threads I care about, it seems. Maybe I'm just too much of an old > timer for the "web way"... Alerts" option (TR, underneath your account pic) which allows to just see the threads in which you either replied or where you clicked the "Alert me" link. It's far from being as useful as i.e. 40tude's scoring system, but it allows to just see the threads that you care most for, but for all the forums. Cheers, Olaf On 5/19/2010 3:23 AM, Olaf Rabbachin wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Hi Mike, It appears that you need to manually refresh the page to see updates on > > Family Tree Mike wrote: > >> No, I didn't try the treaded view option, but will give it a go this >> evening. The bridge gives me the threaded views, and lets me more easily >> track the threads I care about, it seems. Maybe I'm just too much of an old >> timer for the "web way"... > > concerning the threads you're interested in, I particularly like the "My > Alerts" option (TR, underneath your account pic) which allows to just see > the threads in which you either replied or where you clicked the "Alert me" > link. It's far from being as useful as i.e. 40tude's scoring system, but it > allows to just see the threads that you care most for, but for all the > forums. > > Cheers, > Olaf those pages. Hopefully I'm just missing something... -- Mike Hi,
Family Tree Mike wrote: > It appears that you need to manually refresh the page to see updates on yep, that page doesn't seem to be "ajaxified".> those pages. Hopefully I'm just missing something... I'm just wondering how (of if) MS will manage the additional load on their forums when the NNTP-NGs have been closed. I've been using the forums for less than a year and there's numerous problems, like the alerts either not working or coming with a long delay, or the servers simply not responding at all (like right now) ... Cheers, Olaf Olaf Rabbachin wrote:
> I'm just wondering how (of if) MS will manage the additional load on From this note I assume they're adding hardware:> their forums when the NNTP-NGs have been closed. "Forums and Profile for Microsoft, MSDN, TechNet, Answers, and Expression sites will be intermittently offline from 4:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. (PDT) on May 21, 2010, for system upgrades. During this time, users will not be able to access the sites or may experience intermittent error messages. We apologize in advance for the inconvenience." -- Andrew Hi,
Andrew Morton wrote: >> I'm just wondering how (of if) MS will manage the additional load on yep, I saw that too. However, the servers weren't responding on late 5/19>> their forums when the NNTP-NGs have been closed. > > From this note I assume they're adding hardware: > "Forums and Profile for Microsoft, MSDN, TechNet, Answers, and Expression > sites will be intermittently offline from 4:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. (PDT) on > May 21, 2010, for system upgrades. During this time, users will not be able > to access the sites or may experience intermittent error messages. We > apologize in advance for the inconvenience." PDT (which is early 5/20 here on GMT+2), but maybe it was just someone being to eager ... :-) Cheers, Olaf Am 18.05.2010 04:02, schrieb Family Tree Mike:
> I'm no expert, but I frequent this group. For what it's worth, I've Ok ok, I'm gonna make my first-time visit there today. I guess I have to.> been looking at the MSDN Forums at > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads. The > web interface is dreck in my opinion, but using the "Microsoft Forums > NNTP Bridge" makes it work with nntp clients pretty well. We have to. :-( Champaaagne! -- Armin > ... but using the "Microsoft Forums How can I use this bridge? Where can I download it?> NNTP Bridge" makes it work with nntp clients pretty well... "Nikos" wrote: Download and instructions for use are at: > > ... but using the "Microsoft Forums > > NNTP Bridge" makes it work with nntp clients pretty well... > > How can I use this bridge? Where can I download it? > . > https://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums?wa=wsignin1.0 Mike "mp" <nospam@thanks.com> wrote in message Since I'm not one of the main experts maybe it doesn't matter, but I'm news:%23scCAig9KHA.4768@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group >of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to? undecided as yet. I certainly won't be using the Microsoft forums because I've yet to find a forum with an interface as nice as that provided using my newsgroup reader. I'm hoping that someone will suggest an alternative newsgroup (something like alt.windows7.general which came about because of the lack of a suitable microsoft newsgroup). On Mon, 17 May 2010 16:32:47 -0500, "mp" <nospam@thanks.com> wrote: Keep in mind that this is USENET, which is by its very design>I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group >of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to? decentralized. This means that MS can only delete these newsgroups from its own servers and send out a control msg "requesting" that other ISPs do likewise. Whether other ISPs honor the control msg is problematic. So I suspect these newsgroups will linger for years. What will the MVPs and other experts do when MS shuts down the groups on their servers? If they are actually getting their newsgroup feed from the MS servers, you won't see them here anymore. But if they are getting their newsgroup feed from another ISP, they will probably stick around for a while. I have given the NNTP Bridge a try for the last 5-6 days. I'm not real happy with the results and have since shut it down. When the newsgroups dry up and I have a question that I can't find the answer to, I guess I'll have to post on a web forum. I don't know if my first choice will be an MS forum though. -- Dennis > Some of those are very slow, bad and often have a very short retention time.> What will the MVPs and other experts do when MS shuts down the groups on > their servers? If they are actually getting their newsgroup feed from > the MS servers, you won't see them here anymore. But if they are getting > their newsgroup feed from another ISP, they will probably stick around > for a while. > The only good alternative is in my idea Google, but that has as well a web interface, which shows up even worse then the forums in threaded view.
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"Dennis" wrote: It seems to me the bridge software works slightly better with "Windows Mail" > On Mon, 17 May 2010 16:32:47 -0500, "mp" <nospam@thanks.com> wrote: > > >I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group > >of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to? > > Keep in mind that this is USENET, which is by its very design > decentralized. This means that MS can only delete these newsgroups from > its own servers and send out a control msg "requesting" that other ISPs > do likewise. Whether other ISPs honor the control msg is problematic. So > I suspect these newsgroups will linger for years. > > What will the MVPs and other experts do when MS shuts down the groups on > their servers? If they are actually getting their newsgroup feed from > the MS servers, you won't see them here anymore. But if they are getting > their newsgroup feed from another ISP, they will probably stick around > for a while. > > I have given the NNTP Bridge a try for the last 5-6 days. I'm not real > happy with the results and have since shut it down. When the newsgroups > dry up and I have a question that I can't find the answer to, I guess > I'll have to post on a web forum. I don't know if my first choice will > be an MS forum though. > > -- > > Dennis > . > on Vista than it does with Thunderbird. In Thunderbird, threads appeared as unread from time to time, though they were read. Mike VBForums (www.vbforums.com) and DevX (www.devx.com), perhaps . Another are
the MSDN forums. All are web based, and a PITA, IMO. However... I've been active on the MSDN forums, and I plan to concentrate there. I also visit VBForums, though I don't spend much time on DevX. Dick -- Richard Grier, Consultant, Hard & Software 12962 West Louisiana Avenue Lakewood, CO 80228 303-986-2179 (voice) Homepage: www.hardandsoftware.net Author of Visual Basic Programmer's Guide to Serial Communications, 4th Edition ISBN 1-890422-28-2 (391 pages) published July 2004, Revised July 2006. I was in the past verry active on Freevbcode ( was once a "helper of the
month" etc etc ) and switched to DevX when Freevbcode became a part of that website however i have the idea that Devx is not so good maintained annymore in the past few years there are no new features on the site , bugs are not fixed and if you send tips or code it is almost never published and you do not receive anny feedback after your initial automatic submit . maybe this MS decission gives the DevX authors the necesary kick in the but to do things "right" again ? regards Michel Show quoteHide quote "DickGrier" <dick_grierNOSPAM@msn.com> schreef in bericht news:Ova1Kyq9KHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > VBForums (www.vbforums.com) and DevX (www.devx.com), perhaps . Another > are the MSDN forums. All are web based, and a PITA, IMO. However... > > I've been active on the MSDN forums, and I plan to concentrate there. I > also visit VBForums, though I don't spend much time on DevX. > > Dick > > -- > Richard Grier, Consultant, Hard & Software 12962 West Louisiana Avenue > Lakewood, CO 80228 303-986-2179 (voice) Homepage: www.hardandsoftware.net > Author of Visual Basic Programmer's Guide to Serial Communications, 4th > Edition ISBN 1-890422-28-2 (391 pages) published July 2004, Revised July > 2006. Michel Posseth [MCP] brought next idea :
Show quoteHide quote > I was in the past verry active on Freevbcode ( was once a "helper of the Ironically, it was the conversion to web based forums that drove me > month" etc etc ) and switched to DevX when Freevbcode became a part of that > website > however i have the idea that Devx is not so good maintained annymore in the > past few years there are no new features on the site , bugs are not fixed and > if you send > tips or code it is almost never published and you do not receive anny > feedback after your initial automatic submit . > > maybe this MS decission gives the DevX authors the necesary kick in the but > to do things "right" again ? > > regards > > Michel > > away from devx. I used to be quite active there back when they still supported nntp. -- Tom Shelton In article <#scCAig9KHA.4***@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, nospam@thanks.com
says... > I don't believe I'll be moving to the forum, Usenet is alive and well > I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group > of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to? and is still the perfect place to do this type of thing. I'll stay here as long as the groups remain in public. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) 
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