"ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> Hi,
>
> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW drive.
> The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave, respectively, on my
> 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only detects the DVD drive, and
> can't see the CDRW drive at all.  Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear
> in Device Manager.
>
> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I can use
> the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW drive is ok, but
> I was wondering if anyone might have an idea of how I might get both
> drives to work without the extra controller card?
>
> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and rebooting, but
> that didn't change anything.  I've also tried adding the "cdgone"
> registry edits, but that didn't fix it either.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
>
> Thanks,
> Jim

>
> Hi Jim - See here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008  It may not
> sound like it applies but take the steps outlined there to delete the Upper
> and Lower Filters.
>
> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it takes care of
> deleting some other things which can cause problems as well):
> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip  This is
> pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup first so that
> you can recover if there are problems (there aren't usually, BTW).
>
> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also when this occurs
> to recreate the correct entries, here:
> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe   Instructions
> here:  ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
>
> --
> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>
> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW drive.
> > The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave, respectively, on my
> > 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only detects the DVD drive, and
> > can't see the CDRW drive at all.  Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear
> > in Device Manager.
> >
> > For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I can use
> > the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW drive is ok, but
> > I was wondering if anyone might have an idea of how I might get both
> > drives to work without the extra controller card?
> >
> > I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and rebooting, but
> > that didn't change anything.  I've also tried adding the "cdgone"
> > registry edits, but that didn't fix it either.
> >
> > I'd appreciate any suggestions!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jim

"ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
> Jim (Byrd),
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I already
> tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't help.
>
> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I noticed
> that the registry changes in cdgone did some things with Upper and
> Lower Filter already?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim - See here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008  It
>> may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined there to
>> delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
>>
>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it takes
>> care of deleting some other things which can cause problems as well):
>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip  This is
>> pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup first
>> so that you can recover if there are problems (there aren't usually,
>> BTW).
>>
>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also when
>> this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
>> Instructions here:
>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>
>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW drive.
>>> The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave, respectively, on my
>>> 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only detects the DVD drive, and
>>> can't see the CDRW drive at all.  Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear
>>> in Device Manager.
>>>
>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I can use
>>> the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW drive is ok, but
>>> I was wondering if anyone might have an idea of how I might get both
>>> drives to work without the extra controller card?
>>>
>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and rebooting,
>>> but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried adding the
>>> "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it either.
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim

>
> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some additional things
> besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I would suggest running both it
> and the FilterFixer package, link to directions here:
> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt, direct download
> here:  ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in order,
> maybe?
>
> --
> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>
> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
> > Jim (Byrd),
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I already
> > tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't help.
> >
> > Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I noticed
> > that the registry changes in cdgone did some things with Upper and
> > Lower Filter already?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Jim - See here:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008  It
> >> may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined there to
> >> delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
> >>
> >> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it takes
> >> care of deleting some other things which can cause problems as well):
> >> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip  This is
> >> pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup first
> >> so that you can recover if there are problems (there aren't usually,
> >> BTW).
> >>
> >> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also when
> >> this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
> >> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
> >> Instructions here:
> >> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW drive.
> >>> The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave, respectively, on my
> >>> 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only detects the DVD drive, and
> >>> can't see the CDRW drive at all.  Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear
> >>> in Device Manager.
> >>>
> >>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I can use
> >>> the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW drive is ok, but
> >>> I was wondering if anyone might have an idea of how I might get both
> >>> drives to work without the extra controller card?
> >>>
> >>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and rebooting,
> >>> but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried adding the
> >>> "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it either.
> >>>
> >>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jim

>
> Jim,
>
> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open the
> machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
> > http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some additional things
> > besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I would suggest running both it
> > and the FilterFixer package, link to directions here:
> > ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt, direct download
> > here:  ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in order,
> > maybe?
> >
> > --
> > Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> > My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> > http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >
> > "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
> > > Jim (Byrd),
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I already
> > > tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't help.
> > >
> > > Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I noticed
> > > that the registry changes in cdgone did some things with Upper and
> > > Lower Filter already?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Byrd wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Jim - See here:
> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008  It
> > >> may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined there to
> > >> delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
> > >>
> > >> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it takes
> > >> care of deleting some other things which can cause problems as well):
> > >> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip  This is
> > >> pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup first
> > >> so that you can recover if there are problems (there aren't usually,
> > >> BTW).
> > >>
> > >> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also when
> > >> this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
> > >> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
> > >> Instructions here:
> > >> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> > >> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> > >> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> > >>
> > >> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW drive.
> > >>> The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave, respectively, on my
> > >>> 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only detects the DVD drive, and
> > >>> can't see the CDRW drive at all.  Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear
> > >>> in Device Manager.
> > >>>
> > >>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I can use
> > >>> the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW drive is ok, but
> > >>> I was wondering if anyone might have an idea of how I might get both
> > >>> drives to work without the extra controller card?
> > >>>
> > >>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and rebooting,
> > >>> but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried adding the
> > >>> "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it either.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Jim

"ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
> Jim,
>
> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still can
> only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is that when I was
> testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could see both the DVD and CDRW
> then???
>
> Jim
>
>
> ohaya wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open the
>> machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some additional
>>> things besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I would suggest
>>> running both it and the FilterFixer package, link to directions
>>> here: ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
>>> direct download here:
>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in
>>> order, maybe?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
>>>> Jim (Byrd),
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I already
>>>> tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't help.
>>>>
>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I
>>>> noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some things with
>>>> Upper and Lower Filter already?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008  It
>>>>> may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined there to
>>>>> delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it takes
>>>>> care of deleting some other things which can cause problems as
>>>>> well): http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip  This is
>>>>> pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup
>>>>> first so that you can recover if there are problems (there aren't
>>>>> usually, BTW).
>>>>>
>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also when
>>>>> this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
>>>>> Instructions here:
>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW
>>>>>> drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave,
>>>>>> respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only
>>>>>> detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW drive at all.
>>>>>> Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in Device Manager.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I can
>>>>>> use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW drive is
>>>>>> ok, but I was wondering if anyone might have an idea of how I
>>>>>> might get both drives to work without the extra controller card?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried
>>>>>> adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jim

>
> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY correctly, you
> currently have the DVD installed as master and the RW as slave on the
> secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not on your added IDE controller card).
> Is that correct?
>
> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would like to check
> the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three possible situations to which
> a drive can be set:  Master, Slave, or Cable Select.  This is usually
> accomplished by either microswitches or, more often, by setting a jumper on
> the drive.  Note that on normal IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the
> first (middle of the cable) connector closest to the motherboard, while the
> Slave goes on the end connector.
>
> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way - DVD on the
> Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector - and that both devices are
> properly jumpered - DVD as Master and RW as Slave or Cable Select.
> (Alternatively, you might want to try reversing them and jumper the RW as
> the Master on the Master connector and the DVD as the Slave on the end
> connector unless your installation directions specify that the DVD has to be
> a Master.  Many motherboards will only boot from a CD if it's the master
> device on the secondary channel, and it's often useful to be able to boot
> from the same drive where you created a CD for reasons I won't go into
> here.)  In either case, let's be sure that things are set up correctly
> physically and eliminate that as a problem.
>
> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE channel,
> BTW?  Two HD's?
>
> --
> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>
> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
> > Jim,
> >
> > Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still can
> > only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is that when I was
> > testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could see both the DVD and CDRW
> > then???
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > ohaya wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open the
> >> machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
> >>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some additional
> >>> things besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I would suggest
> >>> running both it and the FilterFixer package, link to directions
> >>> here: ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
> >>> direct download here:
> >>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in
> >>> order, maybe?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
> >>>> Jim (Byrd),
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I already
> >>>> tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I
> >>>> noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some things with
> >>>> Upper and Lower Filter already?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
> >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008  It
> >>>>> may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined there to
> >>>>> delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it takes
> >>>>> care of deleting some other things which can cause problems as
> >>>>> well): http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip  This is
> >>>>> pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup
> >>>>> first so that you can recover if there are problems (there aren't
> >>>>> usually, BTW).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also when
> >>>>> this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
> >>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
> >>>>> Instructions here:
> >>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW
> >>>>>> drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave,
> >>>>>> respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only
> >>>>>> detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW drive at all.
> >>>>>> Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in Device Manager.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I can
> >>>>>> use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW drive is
> >>>>>> ok, but I was wondering if anyone might have an idea of how I
> >>>>>> might get both drives to work without the extra controller card?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
> >>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried
> >>>>>> adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it
> >>>>>> either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Jim

"ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F977F1.9B076238@cox.net
> Jim,
>
> I originally had:
>
> IDE0: Master: hard drive
> IDE1: Master: DVD (cable select)
> Slave: CDRW (cable select)
>
> I have 80-wire cables on both IDE0 and IDE1.
>
> I just tried switching so that I had:
>
> IDE1: Master: CDRW (cable select)
> Slave: DVD (cable select)
>
> But Windows can still only see the DVD drive.  In other words, it
> doesn't matter whether the DVD is master or slave, Windows sees it,
> but will not see the CDRW drive.
>
> If I connect only the CDRW on IDE1, Windows sees it.
>
> I haven't tried either the DVD or CDRW on IDE0 yet (the cable won't
> reach).
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY
>> correctly, you currently have the DVD installed as master and the RW
>> as slave on the secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not on your
>> added IDE controller card). Is that correct?
>>
>> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would like to
>> check the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three possible
>> situations to which a drive can be set:  Master, Slave, or Cable
>> Select.  This is usually accomplished by either microswitches or,
>> more often, by setting a jumper on the drive.  Note that on normal
>> IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the first (middle of the
>> cable) connector closest to the motherboard, while the Slave goes on
>> the end connector.
>>
>> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way - DVD
>> on the Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector - and that
>> both devices are properly jumpered - DVD as Master and RW as Slave
>> or Cable Select. (Alternatively, you might want to try reversing
>> them and jumper the RW as the Master on the Master connector and the
>> DVD as the Slave on the end connector unless your installation
>> directions specify that the DVD has to be a Master.  Many
>> motherboards will only boot from a CD if it's the master device on
>> the secondary channel, and it's often useful to be able to boot from
>> the same drive where you created a CD for reasons I won't go into
>> here.)  In either case, let's be sure that things are set up
>> correctly physically and eliminate that as a problem.
>>
>> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE
>> channel, BTW?  Two HD's?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>
>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still can
>>> only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is that when I
>>> was testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could see both the DVD
>>> and CDRW then???
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> ohaya wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open the
>>>> machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some additional
>>>>> things besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I would suggest
>>>>> running both it and the FilterFixer package, link to directions
>>>>> here: ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
>>>>> direct download here:
>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in
>>>>> order, maybe?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
>>>>>> Jim (Byrd),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I already
>>>>>> tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I
>>>>>> noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some things with
>>>>>> Upper and Lower Filter already?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008
>>>>>>> It may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined
>>>>>>> there to delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it takes
>>>>>>> care of deleting some other things which can cause problems as
>>>>>>> well): http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip  This is
>>>>>>> pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup
>>>>>>> first so that you can recover if there are problems (there
>>>>>>> aren't usually, BTW).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also when
>>>>>>> this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
>>>>>>> Instructions here:
>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW
>>>>>>>> drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave,
>>>>>>>> respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only
>>>>>>>> detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW drive at all.
>>>>>>>> Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in Device Manager.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I
>>>>>>>> can use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW
>>>>>>>> drive is ok, but I was wondering if anyone might have an idea
>>>>>>>> of how I might get both drives to work without the extra
>>>>>>>> controller card?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
>>>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried
>>>>>>>> adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it
>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Jim

>
> Jim, have you also tried it with  the jumper settings on the drives set to
> Master and/or Slave, as appropriate to their position on the cable, rather
> than just Cable Select?  Some drives won't handle Cable Select correctly
> sometimes in my experience.
>
> --
> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>
> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F977F1.9B076238@cox.net
> > Jim,
> >
> > I originally had:
> >
> > IDE0: Master: hard drive
> > IDE1: Master: DVD (cable select)
> > Slave: CDRW (cable select)
> >
> > I have 80-wire cables on both IDE0 and IDE1.
> >
> > I just tried switching so that I had:
> >
> > IDE1: Master: CDRW (cable select)
> > Slave: DVD (cable select)
> >
> > But Windows can still only see the DVD drive.  In other words, it
> > doesn't matter whether the DVD is master or slave, Windows sees it,
> > but will not see the CDRW drive.
> >
> > If I connect only the CDRW on IDE1, Windows sees it.
> >
> > I haven't tried either the DVD or CDRW on IDE0 yet (the cable won't
> > reach).
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY
> >> correctly, you currently have the DVD installed as master and the RW
> >> as slave on the secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not on your
> >> added IDE controller card). Is that correct?
> >>
> >> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would like to
> >> check the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three possible
> >> situations to which a drive can be set:  Master, Slave, or Cable
> >> Select.  This is usually accomplished by either microswitches or,
> >> more often, by setting a jumper on the drive.  Note that on normal
> >> IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the first (middle of the
> >> cable) connector closest to the motherboard, while the Slave goes on
> >> the end connector.
> >>
> >> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way - DVD
> >> on the Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector - and that
> >> both devices are properly jumpered - DVD as Master and RW as Slave
> >> or Cable Select. (Alternatively, you might want to try reversing
> >> them and jumper the RW as the Master on the Master connector and the
> >> DVD as the Slave on the end connector unless your installation
> >> directions specify that the DVD has to be a Master.  Many
> >> motherboards will only boot from a CD if it's the master device on
> >> the secondary channel, and it's often useful to be able to boot from
> >> the same drive where you created a CD for reasons I won't go into
> >> here.)  In either case, let's be sure that things are set up
> >> correctly physically and eliminate that as a problem.
> >>
> >> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE
> >> channel, BTW?  Two HD's?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
> >>> Jim,
> >>>
> >>> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still can
> >>> only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is that when I
> >>> was testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could see both the DVD
> >>> and CDRW then???
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ohaya wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim,
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open the
> >>>> machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
> >>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some additional
> >>>>> things besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I would suggest
> >>>>> running both it and the FilterFixer package, link to directions
> >>>>> here: ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
> >>>>> direct download here:
> >>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in
> >>>>> order, maybe?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
> >>>>>> Jim (Byrd),
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I already
> >>>>>> tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't help.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I
> >>>>>> noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some things with
> >>>>>> Upper and Lower Filter already?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
> >>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008
> >>>>>>> It may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined
> >>>>>>> there to delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it takes
> >>>>>>> care of deleting some other things which can cause problems as
> >>>>>>> well): http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip  This is
> >>>>>>> pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup
> >>>>>>> first so that you can recover if there are problems (there
> >>>>>>> aren't usually, BTW).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also when
> >>>>>>> this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
> >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
> >>>>>>> Instructions here:
> >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW
> >>>>>>>> drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave,
> >>>>>>>> respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only
> >>>>>>>> detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW drive at all.
> >>>>>>>> Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in Device Manager.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I
> >>>>>>>> can use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW
> >>>>>>>> drive is ok, but I was wondering if anyone might have an idea
> >>>>>>>> of how I might get both drives to work without the extra
> >>>>>>>> controller card?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
> >>>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried
> >>>>>>>> adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it
> >>>>>>>> either.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>> Jim

"ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F980F8.7BAEA4CA@cox.net
> Jim,
>
> Sorry.  I forgot to mention that.  I think that was the 1st thing I
> tried, which I was using a 40 wire cable.  When I switched to the 80
> wire cable (to try to get this working), I put both drives on cable
> select...
>
> BTW, I mentioned that both drives appear in Safemode.  Is there a hint
> there?  What's different when in Safemode?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>
>> Jim, have you also tried it with  the jumper settings on the drives
>> set to Master and/or Slave, as appropriate to their position on the
>> cable, rather than just Cable Select?  Some drives won't handle
>> Cable Select correctly sometimes in my experience.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>
>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:42F977F1.9B076238@cox.net
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> I originally had:
>>>
>>> IDE0: Master: hard drive
>>> IDE1: Master: DVD (cable select)
>>> Slave: CDRW (cable select)
>>>
>>> I have 80-wire cables on both IDE0 and IDE1.
>>>
>>> I just tried switching so that I had:
>>>
>>> IDE1: Master: CDRW (cable select)
>>> Slave: DVD (cable select)
>>>
>>> But Windows can still only see the DVD drive.  In other words, it
>>> doesn't matter whether the DVD is master or slave, Windows sees it,
>>> but will not see the CDRW drive.
>>>
>>> If I connect only the CDRW on IDE1, Windows sees it.
>>>
>>> I haven't tried either the DVD or CDRW on IDE0 yet (the cable won't
>>> reach).
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY
>>>> correctly, you currently have the DVD installed as master and the
>>>> RW as slave on the secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not on your
>>>> added IDE controller card). Is that correct?
>>>>
>>>> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would like to
>>>> check the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three possible
>>>> situations to which a drive can be set:  Master, Slave, or Cable
>>>> Select.  This is usually accomplished by either microswitches or,
>>>> more often, by setting a jumper on the drive.  Note that on normal
>>>> IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the first (middle of the
>>>> cable) connector closest to the motherboard, while the Slave goes
>>>> on the end connector.
>>>>
>>>> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way - DVD
>>>> on the Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector - and that
>>>> both devices are properly jumpered - DVD as Master and RW as Slave
>>>> or Cable Select. (Alternatively, you might want to try reversing
>>>> them and jumper the RW as the Master on the Master connector and
>>>> the DVD as the Slave on the end connector unless your installation
>>>> directions specify that the DVD has to be a Master.  Many
>>>> motherboards will only boot from a CD if it's the master device on
>>>> the secondary channel, and it's often useful to be able to boot
>>>> from the same drive where you created a CD for reasons I won't go
>>>> into here.)  In either case, let's be sure that things are set up
>>>> correctly physically and eliminate that as a problem.
>>>>
>>>> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE
>>>> channel, BTW?  Two HD's?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still can
>>>>> only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is that when I
>>>>> was testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could see both the DVD
>>>>> and CDRW then???
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ohaya wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open the
>>>>>> machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
>>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some
>>>>>>> additional things besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I
>>>>>>> would suggest running both it and the FilterFixer package, link
>>>>>>> to directions here:
>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
>>>>>>> direct download here:
>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in
>>>>>>> order, maybe?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
>>>>>>>> Jim (Byrd),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I
>>>>>>>> already tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't
>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I
>>>>>>>> noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some things
>>>>>>>> with Upper and Lower Filter already?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008
>>>>>>>>> It may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined
>>>>>>>>> there to delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it
>>>>>>>>> takes care of deleting some other things which can cause
>>>>>>>>> problems as well): http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip
>>>>>>>>> This is pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of
>>>>>>>>> issue.  Backup first so that you can recover if there are
>>>>>>>>> problems (there aren't usually, BTW).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also
>>>>>>>>> when this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
>>>>>>>>> Instructions here:
>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW
>>>>>>>>>> drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave,
>>>>>>>>>> respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only
>>>>>>>>>> detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW drive at all.
>>>>>>>>>> Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in Device Manager.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I
>>>>>>>>>> can use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW
>>>>>>>>>> drive is ok, but I was wondering if anyone might have an idea
>>>>>>>>>> of how I might get both drives to work without the extra
>>>>>>>>>> controller card?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
>>>>>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried
>>>>>>>>>> adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it
>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Jim

>
> Well, quite a lot actually!  :)   Try doing a "Clean Boot" and see if they
> show up.  From my Blog, Defending Your Machine, addy in Signature below:
>
> #########IMPORTANT#########
>
> Show hidden files and run all of the following removal tools from Safe mode
> or a "Clean Boot" when possible, logged on as an Administrator. BEFORE
> running these tools, be sure to clear all Temp files and your Temporary
> Internet Files (TIF)(including offline content.) Reboot and test if the
> malware is fixed after using each tool.
>
> HOW TO Enable Hidden Files
> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2002092715262339
>
> Clean Boot - General Win2k/XP procedure, but see below for links for other
> OS's (This for Win2k w/msconfig - you can obtain msconfig for Win2k here:
> http://www.3feetunder.com/files/win2K_msconfig_setup.exe ):
>
> 1. StartRun enter msconfig.
>
> 2. On the General tab, click Selective Startup, and then clear the 'Process
> System.ini File', 'Process Win.ini File', and 'Load Startup Items' check
> boxes. Leave the 'boot.ini' boxes however they are currently set.
>
> 3. In the Services tab, check the "Hide All Microsoft Services" checkbox,
> and then click the "Disable All" button. If you use a third party firewall
> then re-check (enable) it. For example, if you use Zone Alarm, re-check the
> True Vector Internet Monitor service (and you may also want to re-check
> (enable) the zlclient on the Startup tab.) Equivalent services exist for
> other third party firewalls. An alternative to this for XP users is to
> enable at this time the XP native firewall (Internet Connection Firewall -
> ICF). Be sure to turn it back off when you re-enable your non-MS services
> and Startup tab programs and restore your normal msconfig configuration
> after cleaning your machine.
>
> 4. Click OK and then reboot.
>
> For additional information about how to clean boot your operating system,
> click the following article links to view the articles in the Microsoft
> Knowledge Base:
>
> 310353 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
> 281770 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 2000
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281770/EN-US/
> 267288 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows Millennium Edition
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267288/EN-US/
> 192926 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192926/EN-US/
> 243039 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows 95
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243039/EN-US/
> #########IMPORTANT#########
>
> --
> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>
> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F980F8.7BAEA4CA@cox.net
> > Jim,
> >
> > Sorry.  I forgot to mention that.  I think that was the 1st thing I
> > tried, which I was using a 40 wire cable.  When I switched to the 80
> > wire cable (to try to get this working), I put both drives on cable
> > select...
> >
> > BTW, I mentioned that both drives appear in Safemode.  Is there a hint
> > there?  What's different when in Safemode?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim, have you also tried it with  the jumper settings on the drives
> >> set to Master and/or Slave, as appropriate to their position on the
> >> cable, rather than just Cable Select?  Some drives won't handle
> >> Cable Select correctly sometimes in my experience.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:42F977F1.9B076238@cox.net
> >>> Jim,
> >>>
> >>> I originally had:
> >>>
> >>> IDE0: Master: hard drive
> >>> IDE1: Master: DVD (cable select)
> >>> Slave: CDRW (cable select)
> >>>
> >>> I have 80-wire cables on both IDE0 and IDE1.
> >>>
> >>> I just tried switching so that I had:
> >>>
> >>> IDE1: Master: CDRW (cable select)
> >>> Slave: DVD (cable select)
> >>>
> >>> But Windows can still only see the DVD drive.  In other words, it
> >>> doesn't matter whether the DVD is master or slave, Windows sees it,
> >>> but will not see the CDRW drive.
> >>>
> >>> If I connect only the CDRW on IDE1, Windows sees it.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't tried either the DVD or CDRW on IDE0 yet (the cable won't
> >>> reach).
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY
> >>>> correctly, you currently have the DVD installed as master and the
> >>>> RW as slave on the secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not on your
> >>>> added IDE controller card). Is that correct?
> >>>>
> >>>> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would like to
> >>>> check the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three possible
> >>>> situations to which a drive can be set:  Master, Slave, or Cable
> >>>> Select.  This is usually accomplished by either microswitches or,
> >>>> more often, by setting a jumper on the drive.  Note that on normal
> >>>> IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the first (middle of the
> >>>> cable) connector closest to the motherboard, while the Slave goes
> >>>> on the end connector.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way - DVD
> >>>> on the Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector - and that
> >>>> both devices are properly jumpered - DVD as Master and RW as Slave
> >>>> or Cable Select. (Alternatively, you might want to try reversing
> >>>> them and jumper the RW as the Master on the Master connector and
> >>>> the DVD as the Slave on the end connector unless your installation
> >>>> directions specify that the DVD has to be a Master.  Many
> >>>> motherboards will only boot from a CD if it's the master device on
> >>>> the secondary channel, and it's often useful to be able to boot
> >>>> from the same drive where you created a CD for reasons I won't go
> >>>> into here.)  In either case, let's be sure that things are set up
> >>>> correctly physically and eliminate that as a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE
> >>>> channel, BTW?  Two HD's?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
> >>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still can
> >>>>> only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is that when I
> >>>>> was testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could see both the DVD
> >>>>> and CDRW then???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ohaya wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open the
> >>>>>> machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
> >>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some
> >>>>>>> additional things besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I
> >>>>>>> would suggest running both it and the FilterFixer package, link
> >>>>>>> to directions here:
> >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
> >>>>>>> direct download here:
> >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in
> >>>>>>> order, maybe?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
> >>>>>>>> Jim (Byrd),
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I
> >>>>>>>> already tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't
> >>>>>>>> help.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I
> >>>>>>>> noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some things
> >>>>>>>> with Upper and Lower Filter already?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
> >>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008
> >>>>>>>>> It may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined
> >>>>>>>>> there to delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it
> >>>>>>>>> takes care of deleting some other things which can cause
> >>>>>>>>> problems as well): http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip
> >>>>>>>>> This is pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of
> >>>>>>>>> issue.  Backup first so that you can recover if there are
> >>>>>>>>> problems (there aren't usually, BTW).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also
> >>>>>>>>> when this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
> >>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
> >>>>>>>>> Instructions here:
> >>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW
> >>>>>>>>>> drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave,
> >>>>>>>>>> respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only
> >>>>>>>>>> detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW drive at all.
> >>>>>>>>>> Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in Device Manager.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I
> >>>>>>>>>> can use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW
> >>>>>>>>>> drive is ok, but I was wondering if anyone might have an idea
> >>>>>>>>>> of how I might get both drives to work without the extra
> >>>>>>>>>> controller card?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
> >>>>>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried
> >>>>>>>>>> adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it
> >>>>>>>>>> either.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>> Jim

>
> Jim,
>
> I just tried a clean boot, and the CDRW drive still doesn't show up
> :(...
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >
> > Well, quite a lot actually!  :)   Try doing a "Clean Boot" and see if they
> > show up.  From my Blog, Defending Your Machine, addy in Signature below:
> >
> > #########IMPORTANT#########
> >
> > Show hidden files and run all of the following removal tools from Safe mode
> > or a "Clean Boot" when possible, logged on as an Administrator. BEFORE
> > running these tools, be sure to clear all Temp files and your Temporary
> > Internet Files (TIF)(including offline content.) Reboot and test if the
> > malware is fixed after using each tool.
> >
> > HOW TO Enable Hidden Files
> > http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2002092715262339
> >
> > Clean Boot - General Win2k/XP procedure, but see below for links for other
> > OS's (This for Win2k w/msconfig - you can obtain msconfig for Win2k here:
> > http://www.3feetunder.com/files/win2K_msconfig_setup.exe ):
> >
> > 1. StartRun enter msconfig.
> >
> > 2. On the General tab, click Selective Startup, and then clear the 'Process
> > System.ini File', 'Process Win.ini File', and 'Load Startup Items' check
> > boxes. Leave the 'boot.ini' boxes however they are currently set.
> >
> > 3. In the Services tab, check the "Hide All Microsoft Services" checkbox,
> > and then click the "Disable All" button. If you use a third party firewall
> > then re-check (enable) it. For example, if you use Zone Alarm, re-check the
> > True Vector Internet Monitor service (and you may also want to re-check
> > (enable) the zlclient on the Startup tab.) Equivalent services exist for
> > other third party firewalls. An alternative to this for XP users is to
> > enable at this time the XP native firewall (Internet Connection Firewall -
> > ICF). Be sure to turn it back off when you re-enable your non-MS services
> > and Startup tab programs and restore your normal msconfig configuration
> > after cleaning your machine.
> >
> > 4. Click OK and then reboot.
> >
> > For additional information about how to clean boot your operating system,
> > click the following article links to view the articles in the Microsoft
> > Knowledge Base:
> >
> > 310353 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows XP
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
> > 281770 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 2000
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281770/EN-US/
> > 267288 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows Millennium Edition
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267288/EN-US/
> > 192926 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192926/EN-US/
> > 243039 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows 95
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243039/EN-US/
> > #########IMPORTANT#########
> >
> > --
> > Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> > My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> > http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >
> > "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F980F8.7BAEA4CA@cox.net
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Sorry.  I forgot to mention that.  I think that was the 1st thing I
> > > tried, which I was using a 40 wire cable.  When I switched to the 80
> > > wire cable (to try to get this working), I put both drives on cable
> > > select...
> > >
> > > BTW, I mentioned that both drives appear in Safemode.  Is there a hint
> > > there?  What's different when in Safemode?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Byrd wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Jim, have you also tried it with  the jumper settings on the drives
> > >> set to Master and/or Slave, as appropriate to their position on the
> > >> cable, rather than just Cable Select?  Some drives won't handle
> > >> Cable Select correctly sometimes in my experience.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> > >> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> > >> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> > >>
> > >> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:42F977F1.9B076238@cox.net
> > >>> Jim,
> > >>>
> > >>> I originally had:
> > >>>
> > >>> IDE0: Master: hard drive
> > >>> IDE1: Master: DVD (cable select)
> > >>> Slave: CDRW (cable select)
> > >>>
> > >>> I have 80-wire cables on both IDE0 and IDE1.
> > >>>
> > >>> I just tried switching so that I had:
> > >>>
> > >>> IDE1: Master: CDRW (cable select)
> > >>> Slave: DVD (cable select)
> > >>>
> > >>> But Windows can still only see the DVD drive.  In other words, it
> > >>> doesn't matter whether the DVD is master or slave, Windows sees it,
> > >>> but will not see the CDRW drive.
> > >>>
> > >>> If I connect only the CDRW on IDE1, Windows sees it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I haven't tried either the DVD or CDRW on IDE0 yet (the cable won't
> > >>> reach).
> > >>>
> > >>> Jim
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY
> > >>>> correctly, you currently have the DVD installed as master and the
> > >>>> RW as slave on the secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not on your
> > >>>> added IDE controller card). Is that correct?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would like to
> > >>>> check the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three possible
> > >>>> situations to which a drive can be set:  Master, Slave, or Cable
> > >>>> Select.  This is usually accomplished by either microswitches or,
> > >>>> more often, by setting a jumper on the drive.  Note that on normal
> > >>>> IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the first (middle of the
> > >>>> cable) connector closest to the motherboard, while the Slave goes
> > >>>> on the end connector.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way - DVD
> > >>>> on the Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector - and that
> > >>>> both devices are properly jumpered - DVD as Master and RW as Slave
> > >>>> or Cable Select. (Alternatively, you might want to try reversing
> > >>>> them and jumper the RW as the Master on the Master connector and
> > >>>> the DVD as the Slave on the end connector unless your installation
> > >>>> directions specify that the DVD has to be a Master.  Many
> > >>>> motherboards will only boot from a CD if it's the master device on
> > >>>> the secondary channel, and it's often useful to be able to boot
> > >>>> from the same drive where you created a CD for reasons I won't go
> > >>>> into here.)  In either case, let's be sure that things are set up
> > >>>> correctly physically and eliminate that as a problem.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE
> > >>>> channel, BTW?  Two HD's?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> > >>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> > >>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >>>> news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
> > >>>>> Jim,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still can
> > >>>>> only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is that when I
> > >>>>> was testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could see both the DVD
> > >>>>> and CDRW then???
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jim
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ohaya wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jim,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open the
> > >>>>>> machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jim
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
> > >>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some
> > >>>>>>> additional things besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I
> > >>>>>>> would suggest running both it and the FilterFixer package, link
> > >>>>>>> to directions here:
> > >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
> > >>>>>>> direct download here:
> > >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in
> > >>>>>>> order, maybe?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> > >>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> > >>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
> > >>>>>>>> Jim (Byrd),
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I
> > >>>>>>>> already tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't
> > >>>>>>>> help.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I
> > >>>>>>>> noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some things
> > >>>>>>>> with Upper and Lower Filter already?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jim
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
> > >>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008
> > >>>>>>>>> It may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined
> > >>>>>>>>> there to delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it
> > >>>>>>>>> takes care of deleting some other things which can cause
> > >>>>>>>>> problems as well): http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip
> > >>>>>>>>> This is pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of
> > >>>>>>>>> issue.  Backup first so that you can recover if there are
> > >>>>>>>>> problems (there aren't usually, BTW).
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also
> > >>>>>>>>> when this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
> > >>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
> > >>>>>>>>> Instructions here:
> > >>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> > >>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> > >>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a CDRW
> > >>>>>>>>>> drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave,
> > >>>>>>>>>> respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only
> > >>>>>>>>>> detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW drive at all.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in Device Manager.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so I
> > >>>>>>>>>> can use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the CDRW
> > >>>>>>>>>> drive is ok, but I was wondering if anyone might have an idea
> > >>>>>>>>>> of how I might get both drives to work without the extra
> > >>>>>>>>>> controller card?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
> > >>>>>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also tried
> > >>>>>>>>>> adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't fix it
> > >>>>>>>>>> either.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>>> Jim

"ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F99116.15DB569B@cox.net
> Jim,
>
> I dug up an old 24x CDROM drive, and tried that in place of the CDRW,
> and guess what?  Yep, Windows sees both the DVD drive and the CDROM
> drive.
>
> This is fine for me.  I was mainly interested in having both a CD and
> DVD drive on this machine.  I just happened to try the CDRW first.
>
> Thanks for all of your patience and efforts.  I still don't understand
> why the CDRW was not being detected, because it did work when it was
> in the machine by itself.  It just didn't want to play nicely with
> the DVD drive.
>
> In case you're wondering, the CDRW is a TDK 32/10/40...
>
> Thanks again,
> Jim
>
>
>
> ohaya wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I just tried a clean boot, and the CDRW drive still doesn't show up
>> :(...
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, quite a lot actually!  :)   Try doing a "Clean Boot" and see
>>> if they show up.  From my Blog, Defending Your Machine, addy in
>>> Signature below:
>>>
>>> #########IMPORTANT#########
>>>
>>> Show hidden files and run all of the following removal tools from
>>> Safe mode or a "Clean Boot" when possible, logged on as an
>>> Administrator. BEFORE running these tools, be sure to clear all
>>> Temp files and your Temporary Internet Files (TIF)(including
>>> offline content.) Reboot and test if the malware is fixed after
>>> using each tool.
>>>
>>> HOW TO Enable Hidden Files
>>>

>>>
>>> Clean Boot - General Win2k/XP procedure, but see below for links
>>> for other OS's (This for Win2k w/msconfig - you can obtain msconfig
>>> for Win2k here:
>>> http://www.3feetunder.com/files/win2K_msconfig_setup.exe ):
>>>
>>> 1. StartRun enter msconfig.
>>>
>>> 2. On the General tab, click Selective Startup, and then clear the
>>> 'Process System.ini File', 'Process Win.ini File', and 'Load
>>> Startup Items' check boxes. Leave the 'boot.ini' boxes however they
>>> are currently set.
>>>
>>> 3. In the Services tab, check the "Hide All Microsoft Services"
>>> checkbox, and then click the "Disable All" button. If you use a
>>> third party firewall then re-check (enable) it. For example, if you
>>> use Zone Alarm, re-check the True Vector Internet Monitor service
>>> (and you may also want to re-check (enable) the zlclient on the
>>> Startup tab.) Equivalent services exist for other third party
>>> firewalls. An alternative to this for XP users is to enable at this
>>> time the XP native firewall (Internet Connection Firewall - ICF).
>>> Be sure to turn it back off when you re-enable your non-MS services
>>> and Startup tab programs and restore your normal msconfig
>>> configuration after cleaning your machine.
>>>
>>> 4. Click OK and then reboot.
>>>
>>> For additional information about how to clean boot your operating
>>> system, click the following article links to view the articles in
>>> the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
>>>
>>> 310353 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows XP
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>>> 281770 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 2000
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281770/EN-US/
>>> 267288 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows Millennium Edition
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267288/EN-US/
>>> 192926 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192926/EN-US/
>>> 243039 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows 95
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243039/EN-US/
>>> #########IMPORTANT#########
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:42F980F8.7BAEA4CA@cox.net
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry.  I forgot to mention that.  I think that was the 1st thing I
>>>> tried, which I was using a 40 wire cable.  When I switched to the
>>>> 80 wire cable (to try to get this working), I put both drives on
>>>> cable select...
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I mentioned that both drives appear in Safemode.  Is there a
>>>> hint there?  What's different when in Safemode?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, have you also tried it with  the jumper settings on the
>>>>> drives set to Master and/or Slave, as appropriate to their
>>>>> position on the cable, rather than just Cable Select?  Some
>>>>> drives won't handle Cable Select correctly sometimes in my
>>>>> experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:42F977F1.9B076238@cox.net
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I originally had:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IDE0: Master: hard drive
>>>>>> IDE1: Master: DVD (cable select)
>>>>>> Slave: CDRW (cable select)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have 80-wire cables on both IDE0 and IDE1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just tried switching so that I had:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IDE1: Master: CDRW (cable select)
>>>>>> Slave: DVD (cable select)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But Windows can still only see the DVD drive.  In other words, it
>>>>>> doesn't matter whether the DVD is master or slave, Windows sees
>>>>>> it, but will not see the CDRW drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I connect only the CDRW on IDE1, Windows sees it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't tried either the DVD or CDRW on IDE0 yet (the cable
>>>>>> won't reach).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY
>>>>>>> correctly, you currently have the DVD installed as master and
>>>>>>> the RW as slave on the secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not
>>>>>>> on your added IDE controller card). Is that correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would
>>>>>>> like to check the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three
>>>>>>> possible situations to which a drive can be set:  Master,
>>>>>>> Slave, or Cable Select.  This is usually accomplished by either
>>>>>>> microswitches or, more often, by setting a jumper on the drive.
>>>>>>> Note that on normal IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the
>>>>>>> first (middle of the cable) connector closest to the
>>>>>>> motherboard, while the Slave goes on the end connector.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way -
>>>>>>> DVD on the Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector -
>>>>>>> and that both devices are properly jumpered - DVD as Master and
>>>>>>> RW as Slave or Cable Select. (Alternatively, you might want to
>>>>>>> try reversing them and jumper the RW as the Master on the
>>>>>>> Master connector and the DVD as the Slave on the end connector
>>>>>>> unless your installation directions specify that the DVD has to
>>>>>>> be a Master.  Many motherboards will only boot from a CD if
>>>>>>> it's the master device on the secondary channel, and it's often
>>>>>>> useful to be able to boot from the same drive where you created
>>>>>>> a CD for reasons I won't go into here.)  In either case, let's
>>>>>>> be sure that things are set up correctly physically and
>>>>>>> eliminate that as a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE
>>>>>>> channel, BTW?  Two HD's?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still
>>>>>>>> can only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is
>>>>>>>> that when I was testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could
>>>>>>>> see both the DVD and CDRW then???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ohaya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open
>>>>>>>>> the machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some
>>>>>>>>>> additional things besides just deleting the Filter entries.
>>>>>>>>>> I would suggest running both it and the FilterFixer package,
>>>>>>>>>> link to directions here:
>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
>>>>>>>>>> direct download here:
>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe,
>>>>>>>>>> in order, maybe?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim (Byrd),
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I
>>>>>>>>>>> already tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?
>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some
>>>>>>>>>>> things with Upper and Lower Filter already?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008
>>>>>>>>>>>> It may not sound like it applies but take the steps
>>>>>>>>>>>> outlined there to delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it
>>>>>>>>>>>> takes care of deleting some other things which can cause
>>>>>>>>>>>> problems as well):
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip This is pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>> much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup
>>>>>>>>>>>> first so that you can recover if there are problems (there
>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't usually, BTW).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also
>>>>>>>>>>>> when this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
>>>>>>>>>>>> Instructions here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CDRW drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slave, respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 only detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive at all. Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Device Manager.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I can use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the CDRW drive is ok, but I was wondering if anyone might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an idea of how I might get both drives to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without the extra controller card?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix it either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim

> OK, Jim, as long as you can live with that, fine.  YW, although I don't
> think I really did you much good.  :)
>
> --
> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>
> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F99116.15DB569B@cox.net
> > Jim,
> >
> > I dug up an old 24x CDROM drive, and tried that in place of the CDRW,
> > and guess what?  Yep, Windows sees both the DVD drive and the CDROM
> > drive.
> >
> > This is fine for me.  I was mainly interested in having both a CD and
> > DVD drive on this machine.  I just happened to try the CDRW first.
> >
> > Thanks for all of your patience and efforts.  I still don't understand
> > why the CDRW was not being detected, because it did work when it was
> > in the machine by itself.  It just didn't want to play nicely with
> > the DVD drive.
> >
> > In case you're wondering, the CDRW is a TDK 32/10/40...
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > ohaya wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> I just tried a clean boot, and the CDRW drive still doesn't show up
> >> :(...
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well, quite a lot actually!  :)   Try doing a "Clean Boot" and see
> >>> if they show up.  From my Blog, Defending Your Machine, addy in
> >>> Signature below:
> >>>
> >>> #########IMPORTANT#########
> >>>
> >>> Show hidden files and run all of the following removal tools from
> >>> Safe mode or a "Clean Boot" when possible, logged on as an
> >>> Administrator. BEFORE running these tools, be sure to clear all
> >>> Temp files and your Temporary Internet Files (TIF)(including
> >>> offline content.) Reboot and test if the malware is fixed after
> >>> using each tool.
> >>>
> >>> HOW TO Enable Hidden Files
> >>>
> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2002092715262339
> >>>
> >>> Clean Boot - General Win2k/XP procedure, but see below for links
> >>> for other OS's (This for Win2k w/msconfig - you can obtain msconfig
> >>> for Win2k here:
> >>> http://www.3feetunder.com/files/win2K_msconfig_setup.exe ):
> >>>
> >>> 1. StartRun enter msconfig.
> >>>
> >>> 2. On the General tab, click Selective Startup, and then clear the
> >>> 'Process System.ini File', 'Process Win.ini File', and 'Load
> >>> Startup Items' check boxes. Leave the 'boot.ini' boxes however they
> >>> are currently set.
> >>>
> >>> 3. In the Services tab, check the "Hide All Microsoft Services"
> >>> checkbox, and then click the "Disable All" button. If you use a
> >>> third party firewall then re-check (enable) it. For example, if you
> >>> use Zone Alarm, re-check the True Vector Internet Monitor service
> >>> (and you may also want to re-check (enable) the zlclient on the
> >>> Startup tab.) Equivalent services exist for other third party
> >>> firewalls. An alternative to this for XP users is to enable at this
> >>> time the XP native firewall (Internet Connection Firewall - ICF).
> >>> Be sure to turn it back off when you re-enable your non-MS services
> >>> and Startup tab programs and restore your normal msconfig
> >>> configuration after cleaning your machine.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Click OK and then reboot.
> >>>
> >>> For additional information about how to clean boot your operating
> >>> system, click the following article links to view the articles in
> >>> the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
> >>>
> >>> 310353 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows XP
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
> >>> 281770 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 2000
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281770/EN-US/
> >>> 267288 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows Millennium Edition
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267288/EN-US/
> >>> 192926 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192926/EN-US/
> >>> 243039 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows 95
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243039/EN-US/
> >>> #########IMPORTANT#########
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:42F980F8.7BAEA4CA@cox.net
> >>>> Jim,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry.  I forgot to mention that.  I think that was the 1st thing I
> >>>> tried, which I was using a 40 wire cable.  When I switched to the
> >>>> 80 wire cable (to try to get this working), I put both drives on
> >>>> cable select...
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, I mentioned that both drives appear in Safemode.  Is there a
> >>>> hint there?  What's different when in Safemode?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim, have you also tried it with  the jumper settings on the
> >>>>> drives set to Master and/or Slave, as appropriate to their
> >>>>> position on the cable, rather than just Cable Select?  Some
> >>>>> drives won't handle Cable Select correctly sometimes in my
> >>>>> experience.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:42F977F1.9B076238@cox.net
> >>>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I originally had:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IDE0: Master: hard drive
> >>>>>> IDE1: Master: DVD (cable select)
> >>>>>> Slave: CDRW (cable select)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have 80-wire cables on both IDE0 and IDE1.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I just tried switching so that I had:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IDE1: Master: CDRW (cable select)
> >>>>>> Slave: DVD (cable select)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But Windows can still only see the DVD drive.  In other words, it
> >>>>>> doesn't matter whether the DVD is master or slave, Windows sees
> >>>>>> it, but will not see the CDRW drive.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If I connect only the CDRW on IDE1, Windows sees it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I haven't tried either the DVD or CDRW on IDE0 yet (the cable
> >>>>>> won't reach).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY
> >>>>>>> correctly, you currently have the DVD installed as master and
> >>>>>>> the RW as slave on the secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not
> >>>>>>> on your added IDE controller card). Is that correct?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would
> >>>>>>> like to check the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three
> >>>>>>> possible situations to which a drive can be set:  Master,
> >>>>>>> Slave, or Cable Select.  This is usually accomplished by either
> >>>>>>> microswitches or, more often, by setting a jumper on the drive.
> >>>>>>> Note that on normal IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the
> >>>>>>> first (middle of the cable) connector closest to the
> >>>>>>> motherboard, while the Slave goes on the end connector.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way -
> >>>>>>> DVD on the Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector -
> >>>>>>> and that both devices are properly jumpered - DVD as Master and
> >>>>>>> RW as Slave or Cable Select. (Alternatively, you might want to
> >>>>>>> try reversing them and jumper the RW as the Master on the
> >>>>>>> Master connector and the DVD as the Slave on the end connector
> >>>>>>> unless your installation directions specify that the DVD has to
> >>>>>>> be a Master.  Many motherboards will only boot from a CD if
> >>>>>>> it's the master device on the secondary channel, and it's often
> >>>>>>> useful to be able to boot from the same drive where you created
> >>>>>>> a CD for reasons I won't go into here.)  In either case, let's
> >>>>>>> be sure that things are set up correctly physically and
> >>>>>>> eliminate that as a problem.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE
> >>>>>>> channel, BTW?  Two HD's?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
> >>>>>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still
> >>>>>>>> can only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is
> >>>>>>>> that when I was testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could
> >>>>>>>> see both the DVD and CDRW then???
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ohaya wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open
> >>>>>>>>> the machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some
> >>>>>>>>>> additional things besides just deleting the Filter entries.
> >>>>>>>>>> I would suggest running both it and the FilterFixer package,
> >>>>>>>>>> link to directions here:
> >>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
> >>>>>>>>>> direct download here:
> >>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe,
> >>>>>>>>>> in order, maybe?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim (Byrd),
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I
> >>>>>>>>>>> already tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> help.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?
> >>>>>>>>>>> I noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some
> >>>>>>>>>>> things with Upper and Lower Filter already?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It may not sound like it applies but take the steps
> >>>>>>>>>>>> outlined there to delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> takes care of deleting some other things which can cause
> >>>>>>>>>>>> problems as well):
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip This is pretty
> >>>>>>>>>>>> much the "standard" fix for this type of issue.  Backup
> >>>>>>>>>>>> first so that you can recover if there are problems (there
> >>>>>>>>>>>> aren't usually, BTW).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Instructions here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> CDRW drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> slave, respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 only detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> drive at all. Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Device Manager.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so I can use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the CDRW drive is ok, but I was wondering if anyone might
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have an idea of how I might get both drives to work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> without the extra controller card?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tried adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fix it either.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim

"ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message news:42F98988.E43EB912@cox.net
> Jim,
>
> I just tried a clean boot, and the CDRW drive still doesn't show up
> :(...
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>
>> Well, quite a lot actually!  :)   Try doing a "Clean Boot" and see
>> if they show up.  From my Blog, Defending Your Machine, addy in
>> Signature below:
>>
>> #########IMPORTANT#########
>>
>> Show hidden files and run all of the following removal tools from
>> Safe mode or a "Clean Boot" when possible, logged on as an
>> Administrator. BEFORE running these tools, be sure to clear all Temp
>> files and your Temporary Internet Files (TIF)(including offline
>> content.) Reboot and test if the malware is fixed after using each
>> tool.
>>
>> HOW TO Enable Hidden Files
>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2002092715262339
>>
>> Clean Boot - General Win2k/XP procedure, but see below for links for
>> other OS's (This for Win2k w/msconfig - you can obtain msconfig for
>> Win2k here: http://www.3feetunder.com/files/win2K_msconfig_setup.exe
>> ):
>>
>> 1. StartRun enter msconfig.
>>
>> 2. On the General tab, click Selective Startup, and then clear the
>> 'Process System.ini File', 'Process Win.ini File', and 'Load Startup
>> Items' check boxes. Leave the 'boot.ini' boxes however they are
>> currently set.
>>
>> 3. In the Services tab, check the "Hide All Microsoft Services"
>> checkbox, and then click the "Disable All" button. If you use a
>> third party firewall then re-check (enable) it. For example, if you
>> use Zone Alarm, re-check the True Vector Internet Monitor service
>> (and you may also want to re-check (enable) the zlclient on the
>> Startup tab.) Equivalent services exist for other third party
>> firewalls. An alternative to this for XP users is to enable at this
>> time the XP native firewall (Internet Connection Firewall - ICF). Be
>> sure to turn it back off when you re-enable your non-MS services and
>> Startup tab programs and restore your normal msconfig configuration
>> after cleaning your machine.
>>
>> 4. Click OK and then reboot.
>>
>> For additional information about how to clean boot your operating
>> system, click the following article links to view the articles in
>> the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
>>
>> 310353 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows XP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>> 281770 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 2000
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281770/EN-US/
>> 267288 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows Millennium Edition
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267288/EN-US/
>> 192926 How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192926/EN-US/
>> 243039 How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows 95
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243039/EN-US/
>> #########IMPORTANT#########
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>
>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:42F980F8.7BAEA4CA@cox.net
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Sorry.  I forgot to mention that.  I think that was the 1st thing I
>>> tried, which I was using a 40 wire cable.  When I switched to the 80
>>> wire cable (to try to get this working), I put both drives on cable
>>> select...
>>>
>>> BTW, I mentioned that both drives appear in Safemode.  Is there a
>>> hint there?  What's different when in Safemode?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jim, have you also tried it with  the jumper settings on the drives
>>>> set to Master and/or Slave, as appropriate to their position on the
>>>> cable, rather than just Cable Select?  Some drives won't handle
>>>> Cable Select correctly sometimes in my experience.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:42F977F1.9B076238@cox.net
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I originally had:
>>>>>
>>>>> IDE0: Master: hard drive
>>>>> IDE1: Master: DVD (cable select)
>>>>> Slave: CDRW (cable select)
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 80-wire cables on both IDE0 and IDE1.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just tried switching so that I had:
>>>>>
>>>>> IDE1: Master: CDRW (cable select)
>>>>> Slave: DVD (cable select)
>>>>>
>>>>> But Windows can still only see the DVD drive.  In other words, it
>>>>> doesn't matter whether the DVD is master or slave, Windows sees
>>>>> it, but will not see the CDRW drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I connect only the CDRW on IDE1, Windows sees it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't tried either the DVD or CDRW on IDE0 yet (the cable
>>>>> won't reach).
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim - I think we need to step back a little here.  IIUY
>>>>>> correctly, you currently have the DVD installed as master and the
>>>>>> RW as slave on the secondary IDE channel (when the RW's not on
>>>>>> your added IDE controller card). Is that correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, since it's the RW that won't enumerate, then I would like
>>>>>> to check the jumpering and the cabling.  There are three possible
>>>>>> situations to which a drive can be set:  Master, Slave, or Cable
>>>>>> Select.  This is usually accomplished by either microswitches or,
>>>>>> more often, by setting a jumper on the drive.  Note that on
>>>>>> normal IDE cabling, the Master device goes on the first (middle
>>>>>> of the cable) connector closest to the motherboard, while the
>>>>>> Slave goes on the end connector.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please check that they are both cabled AND jumpered this way -
>>>>>> DVD on the Master connector, and RW on the Slave connector - and
>>>>>> that both devices are properly jumpered - DVD as Master and RW
>>>>>> as Slave or Cable Select. (Alternatively, you might want to try
>>>>>> reversing them and jumper the RW as the Master on the Master
>>>>>> connector and the DVD as the Slave on the end connector unless
>>>>>> your installation directions specify that the DVD has to be a
>>>>>> Master.  Many motherboards will only boot from a CD if it's the
>>>>>> master device on the secondary channel, and it's often useful to
>>>>>> be able to boot from the same drive where you created a CD for
>>>>>> reasons I won't go into here.)  In either case, let's be sure
>>>>>> that things are set up correctly physically and eliminate that
>>>>>> as a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What devices do you currently have installed on the Primary IDE
>>>>>> channel, BTW?  Two HD's?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:42F96A32.1A4A6274@cox.net
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aargh!  I ran FilterFixer, and restarted the system, but still
>>>>>>> can only see the DVD drive in Windows.  The funny thing is that
>>>>>>> when I was testing, I booted into Safemode, and I could see
>>>>>>> both the DVD and CDRW then???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ohaya wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, thanks.  I'll try the FilterFixer once I get time to open
>>>>>>>> the machine again (I have a IDE PCI card in it right now).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - Yes they are different - the CDGone download I gave,
>>>>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip, handles some
>>>>>>>>> additional things besides just deleting the Filter entries.  I
>>>>>>>>> would suggest running both it and the FilterFixer package,
>>>>>>>>> link to directions here:
>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt,
>>>>>>>>> direct download here:
>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe, in
>>>>>>>>> order, maybe?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:42F92748.286AEC2E@cox.net
>>>>>>>>>> Jim (Byrd),
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  As I mentioned in my post, I
>>>>>>>>>> already tried the "cdgone" registry thing, and that didn't
>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are the other two suggestions any different from "cdgone"?  I
>>>>>>>>>> noticed that the registry changes in cdgone did some things
>>>>>>>>>> with Upper and Lower Filter already?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Byrd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim - See here:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];270008
>>>>>>>>>>> It may not sound like it applies but take the steps outlined
>>>>>>>>>>> there to delete the Upper and Lower Filters.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can also use this reg file to handle these deletes (it
>>>>>>>>>>> takes care of deleting some other things which can cause
>>>>>>>>>>> problems as well): http://www.aumha.org/downloads/cdgone.zip
>>>>>>>>>>> This is pretty much the "standard" fix for this type of
>>>>>>>>>>> issue.  Backup first so that you can recover if there are
>>>>>>>>>>> problems (there aren't usually, BTW).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's recommended by Compaq/HP that you run FilterFixer also
>>>>>>>>>>> when this occurs to recreate the correct entries, here:
>>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.exe
>>>>>>>>>>> Instructions here:
>>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/sp27501-28000/sp27949.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>> My Blog, Defending Your Machine, here:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "ohaya" <oh***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:42F83BE7.EC7BFFD6@cox.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Windows 2000 system with both a DVD drive and a
>>>>>>>>>>>> CDRW drive. The BIOS detects both drives (master and slave,
>>>>>>>>>>>> respectively, on my 2nd IDE channel), but Windows 2000 only
>>>>>>>>>>>> detects the DVD drive, and can't see the CDRW drive at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the CDRW drive doesn't appear in Device Manager.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For now, I've installed a SIIG IDE controller card just so
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can use the CDRW, and that is working, so I'm sure the
>>>>>>>>>>>> CDRW drive is ok, but I was wondering if anyone might have
>>>>>>>>>>>> an idea of how I might get both drives to work without the
>>>>>>>>>>>> extra controller card?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried deleting the DVD drive in Device Manager and
>>>>>>>>>>>> rebooting, but that didn't change anything.  I've also
>>>>>>>>>>>> tried adding the "cdgone" registry edits, but that didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> fix it either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim