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Running a Virtual PC Windows 2000 session on an XP machineI'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home.
I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks. XP is MORE likely to be able to run said games than 2000 was.
tron9***@msn.com wrote: Show quoteHide quote > I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home. > I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to > work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and > running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this > scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks. > On 1 Apr 2005 09:43:17 -0800, tron9***@msn.com wrote:
>I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home. Why not wait until you actually find any problems? XP is probably>I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to >work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and >running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this >scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks. better at running older games than 2000. -- Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. tron9***@msn.com wrote:
> I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home. While I can't comment on Virtual PC 2004, I have used several > I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to > work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and > running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this > scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks. > versions of VMWare. With VMWare, things that are RAM and CPU bound run just a little bit slower in a guest OS (in a virtual machine) than they run on the host OS. However, video-card heavy tasks run a *lot* slower - whether you are playing games or using CAD/CAM apps. I would expect Virtual PC to have much the same effect. I would suggest that you first do as others have suggested: try the games with XP and see if they run well. If they don't, then simply add W2K to the system so that the user has the choice of booting into W2K for those games that don't like XP - no virtual machines required. Rob Stow wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > tron9***@msn.com wrote: So you're recommending (if necessary) a dual-boot configuration then?> > I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home. > > I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to > > work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and > > running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this > > scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks. > > > > While I can't comment on Virtual PC 2004, I have used several > versions of VMWare. > > With VMWare, things that are RAM and CPU bound run just a little > bit slower in a guest OS (in a virtual machine) than they run on > the host OS. However, video-card heavy tasks run a *lot* slower > - whether you are playing games or using CAD/CAM apps. I would > expect Virtual PC to have much the same effect. > > I would suggest that you first do as others have suggested: try > the games with XP and see if they run well. If they don't, then > simply add W2K to the system so that the user has the choice of > booting into W2K for those games that don't like XP - no virtual > machines required. I've never set one of those up, so I have some basic questions. XP will already be installed; can I then install W2K alongside it? Will I need a separate hard drive partition (hello Partition Magic) in order to do so? Thanks. On 1 Apr 2005 10:58:17 -0800, tron9***@msn.com wrote:
>So you're recommending (if necessary) a dual-boot configuration then? Hey Einstein, any game that runs on Win2K is going to run on XP. XP is>I've never set one of those up, so I have some basic questions. XP will >already be installed; can I then install W2K alongside it? Will I need >a separate hard drive partition (hello Partition Magic) in order to do >so? Thanks. Win2K with a *slightly* updated kernel and snazzy GUI is all. Plus it has better backwards compatibility for games built into it already. Don't sweat it. On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:25:11 -0800, Redmond du Barrymond
<redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote: >On 1 Apr 2005 10:58:17 -0800, tron9***@msn.com wrote: Haha...I just realized we have been had by an April Fools joke.> > >>So you're recommending (if necessary) a dual-boot configuration then? >>I've never set one of those up, so I have some basic questions. XP will >>already be installed; can I then install W2K alongside it? Will I need >>a separate hard drive partition (hello Partition Magic) in order to do >>so? Thanks. > >Hey Einstein, any game that runs on Win2K is going to run on XP. XP is >Win2K with a *slightly* updated kernel and snazzy GUI is all. Plus it >has better backwards compatibility for games built into it already. >Don't sweat it. On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:58:51 -0800, Redmond du Barrymond
<redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote: >Haha...I just realized we have been had by an April Fools joke. If it was, the OP forgot the joke part.-- Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:22:18 GMT, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote:
>If it was, the OP forgot the joke part. OK, it was a troll then. Look at the other groups he cross-posted to.>From my testing of over 1600 games Windows XP should be able to run all of the games that Windows 2000 does and vice versa.About less than a dozen games only run on Windows 2000 and the same for Windows XP that don't work on the other OS. These are very few however. On 1 Apr 2005 19:08:01 -0800, "DosFreak" <d0sfr***@yahoo.com> wrote: I would like to know what dozen games run on Win2K but not XP. I don't>About less than a dozen games only run on Windows 2000 and the same for >Windows XP that don't work on the other OS. These are very few however. believe you. Win2K and XP are the same OS. Redmond du Barrymond wrote:
> Win2K and XP are the same OS. No they aren't.XP is based on 2k but they are not the same thing -- Alex Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!" Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.sffh.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:07:36 +0100, "Dr Zoidberg"
<AlexNOOOOO!***@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote: >No they aren't. We going to play the Monty Python game here?>XP is based on 2k but they are not the same thing They are both NT. XP kernel is just a slightly updated one from thekernel in Win2K. What you are saying is like saying that Mandrake 10 is not the same OS as Mandrake 10.1. *Any* game that runs on Win2K is going to run on XP. FACT. "*Any* game that runs on Win2K is
going to run on XP. FACT. " No, not necessarily. There are differences in the NTVDM between 2K/XP that allows some games to work in the 2 operating systems that do not work in the other. You can't really tell the differences in NTVDM between the 2 anymore from my NT Game Compatibility List since I switched from using NTVDM to DosBox for all REAL mode games since DosBox is better suited and supported to running REAL mode DOS games than NTVDM. There are also some Windows games that work in one OS that don't work in the other but I haven't actually tracked down the reasons why yet. Check out my list here: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=465 It's not perfect, I'm only human but all games are tested by me and I've tried to be as objective as possible. As you can see over time I've gone from a strict compatibility comparison (No Scummvm, DosBox, ports, etc) to focusing more on easier gameplay and no focusing on compatibility differences between the OS's, but I can assure you that the differences in gaming compatibility between 2000 and XP are so slight as to pretty much be no factor at all. >*Any* game that runs on Win2K is That's not quite true, there quite a few differences in the shell and some > going to run on XP. FACT. of the other systems like security, so there's no way to make a blanket statement like that, but as you suggest *most* games should run on XP if they ran on W2K. -- Show quoteHide quoteBob Comer "Redmond du Barrymond" <redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote in message news:66nt415sh0suu3t25d0bijkr16qj9p79lr@4ax.com... > On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:07:36 +0100, "Dr Zoidberg" > <AlexNOOOOO!***@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote: > > >>No they aren't. > > We going to play the Monty Python game here? > >>XP is based on 2k but they are not the same thing > > They are both NT. XP kernel is just a slightly updated one from the > kernel in Win2K. What you are saying is like saying that Mandrake 10 > is not the same OS as Mandrake 10.1. *Any* game that runs on Win2K is > going to run on XP. FACT. On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 00:33:21 -0500, "Robert Comer"
<bobcomer-remove***@mindspring.com> wrote: >That's not quite true, there quite a few differences in the shell and some What does the shell and security have to do with running a game? And>of the other systems like security, so there's no way to make a blanket >statement like that, but as you suggest *most* games should run on XP if >they ran on W2K. it's the other way around anyway. There are some games that will run on XP that won't run on Win2K, but I have never heard of a game that runs on Win2K that won't run on XP. If there is, prove it and shut me up. > What does the shell and security have to do with running a game? I said other systems too, but the shell and security still have an effect, even on gaming, some of the new shell enhancements totally hose up older games that expect windows to be painted one way. As for security, there's lot of things that encompass that topic and a number of them would have a direct bearing on running a game. >And Of course there is, they take advantage of the changes in XP.> it's the other way around anyway. There are some games that will run > on XP that won't run on Win2K, >but I have never heard of a game that I believe others have answered that question. (I don't play many games.)> runs on Win2K that won't run on XP. If there is, prove it and shut me > up. Anyway, like Steve Jain said, this is WAY off topic for Virtual PC. -- Show quoteHide quoteBob Comer "Redmond du Barrymond" <redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote in message news:el905112srlsgntnbhj6ki7ja97ar25c83@4ax.com... > On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 00:33:21 -0500, "Robert Comer" > <bobcomer-remove***@mindspring.com> wrote: > > >>That's not quite true, there quite a few differences in the shell and some >>of the other systems like security, so there's no way to make a blanket >>statement like that, but as you suggest *most* games should run on XP if >>they ran on W2K. > > What does the shell and security have to do with running a game? And > it's the other way around anyway. There are some games that will run > on XP that won't run on Win2K, but I have never heard of a game that > runs on Win2K that won't run on XP. If there is, prove it and shut me > up. On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:05:27 -0400, "Robert Comer"
<bobcomer-remove***@mindspring.com> wrote: >I believe others have answered that question. (I don't play many games.) No one has answered that question yet.>Anyway, like Steve Jain said, this is WAY off topic for Virtual PC. Sorry, but the OP cross-posted to a bunch of groups. I'm posting froma gaming group. > No one has answered that question yet. Not in your gaming group, but Steve Jain answered it in the Virtual PC group. Shogo is the game he mentioned and the problem was erratic mouse in XP. And DosFreak posted a link to his list of games, and while there aren't many that do run under W2K but not XP, there are some. > Sorry, but the OP cross-posted to a bunch of groups. I'm posting from Understood.> a gaming group. -- Show quoteHide quoteBob Comer "Redmond du Barrymond" <redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote in message news:1jd151tuse66eneahujdikq5ombpg2emt9@4ax.com... > On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:05:27 -0400, "Robert Comer" > <bobcomer-remove***@mindspring.com> wrote: > > >>I believe others have answered that question. (I don't play many games.) > > No one has answered that question yet. > >>Anyway, like Steve Jain said, this is WAY off topic for Virtual PC. > > Sorry, but the OP cross-posted to a bunch of groups. I'm posting from > a gaming group. > Robert Comer wrote:
> Not in your gaming group, but Steve Jain answered it in the Virtual PC That wasn't limited to XP. I had the erratic mouse problem also in Windows > group. Shogo is the game he mentioned and the problem was erratic > mouse in XP. 2000... Benjamin On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:09:46 +0200, "Benjamin Gawert" <bgaw***@gmx.de> Aha! Still no concrete evidence then. :-)wrote: >That wasn't limited to XP. I had the erratic mouse problem also in Windows >2000... > >Benjamin > Try this SHOGO Faq: http://www.shogo-mad.com/faq/shogo.htm
The "evidence" is in my list up above. I could manually go through all the games and list the differences and post them but what's the point? There would still be no proof to back it up. The closest thing your going to get is my list, which even though it's on a .xls, doesn't mean it's true. On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:20:34 -0400, "Robert Comer"
<bobcomer_remov***@mindspring.com> wrote: >Not in your gaming group, but Steve Jain answered it in the Virtual PC OK, I stand corrected than. But did he try a compatibility mode to>group. Shogo is the game he mentioned and the problem was erratic mouse in >XP. And DosFreak posted a link to his list of games, and while there aren't >many that do run under W2K but not XP, there are some. possiby fix it? I didn't download that list because it was an .exe file. From what I understand, they are recommending that you first try
the games on the new XP system and then only and ONLY if you have problems consider some other alternative. Good luck! Saga <tron9901NO@SPAMmsn.com> wrote in message Show quoteHide quote news:1112381896.962244.260760@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > Rob Stow wrote: >> tron9***@msn.com wrote: >> > I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP > Home. >> > I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games > to >> > work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and >> > running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried > this >> > scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks. >> > >> >> While I can't comment on Virtual PC 2004, I have used several >> versions of VMWare. >> >> With VMWare, things that are RAM and CPU bound run just a little >> bit slower in a guest OS (in a virtual machine) than they run on >> the host OS. However, video-card heavy tasks run a *lot* slower >> - whether you are playing games or using CAD/CAM apps. I would >> expect Virtual PC to have much the same effect. >> >> I would suggest that you first do as others have suggested: try >> the games with XP and see if they run well. If they don't, then >> simply add W2K to the system so that the user has the choice of >> booting into W2K for those games that don't like XP - no virtual >> machines required. > > So you're recommending (if necessary) a dual-boot configuration then? > I've never set one of those up, so I have some basic questions. XP > will > already be installed; can I then install W2K alongside it? Will I need > a separate hard drive partition (hello Partition Magic) in order to do > so? Thanks. > 
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